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It's been a couple years, so it's time to do another plurk about Why You Should Check Out Umineko no Naku Koro ni
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Umineko no Naku Koro ni, or Umineko, or Umineko When They Cry, or Seacats, is a sound novel by Ryukishi07, perhaps known best for writing its predecessor Higurashi.
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Here are a number of explanations of what Umineko is, all of which are true:
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Umineko is the story of Battler, a boy who cries a lot, coming to his family reunion on the private island owned by his billionaire recluse grandfather Kinzo. With Kinzo's health on the decline, the matter of inheritance is hotly contested, with each of his children fighting tooth and nail for their share.
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However, things take a turn for the bizarre when they receive a letter from someone claiming to be the Golden Witch, Beatrice, here in order to reclaim the hidden gold that was the foundation of Kinzo's empire.
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Once this is dismissed as a trick in the games of inheritance, people start turning up dead, and a typhoon isolates the island from the outside world.
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Who is responsible? How many people are really lurking on the island? Just who is Beatrice?
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Umineko is a classical fair-play murder mystery in the tradition of Agatha Christie and Ellery Queen.
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Murder after murder occurs in impossible locked rooms, where it seems that the only way they could have been done was by someone capable of using magic.
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Of course, because the genre is mystery, there is always a solution. If you follow the clues and read between the lines, the truth is always waiting to be found.
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Umineko is an over-the-top anime action fantasy story, about the thousand-year-old witch Beatrice and her schemes to get everyone on the island to accept her existence and turn it into her eternal plaything.
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Magic is real. Beatrice exists, and those who stand to defy her machinations invite only tragedy.
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Of course, because the genre is fantasy, there is absolutely no purpose in trying to solve it as a mystery. The truth is that the witch's impossible magic is to blame for everything, and it's only a matter of time until you surrender to this inviolable fact.
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Umineko is a metatextual story being told on multiple layers simultaneously, both presenting a mystery/fantasy and examining what it means to explore either genre. As the tragedy unfolds, Battler and Beatrice exchange twisted logic to try and determine the truth of the game board once and for all.
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The most famous aspect of this meta-battle is the Red Truth, where Beatrice uses red text to establish absolute truths of the board that can't be questioned. Can Battler explain how mundane humans could commit all the crimes on the island while still satisfying the rules of the game? Can you?
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While Umineko has very little actual interactivity, it's still an extremely engaging game, in the same way the best whodunnits of the golden era all are. You have little control over the outcome, but you must keep thinking in order to stay one step ahead of the mystery as it unfolds.
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The music is insanely good.
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https://imgs.plurk.com/QwB/FEk/wCtJC885xmsJxEtvNJpckM9byiK_lg.gif The murders push the boundaries of what's possible within the confines of the mystery genre.
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The characters are all relentlessly memorable and distinct, with an unusual amount of emphasis on the adult characters who are usually just background dressing in VNs about teenagers.
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It's a story about what it means to tell a story, about the legacy of abuse, about cruelty, about love, about redemption, about weird magical anime girls who may or may not be real.
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It is my favorite visual novel of all time.
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How To Get It
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I figure there are three ways.
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1. Get it on Steam
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The steam version is fine! The art is a bit rough, but there are patches to add in the higher-fidelity PS3 art and voice acting and such.
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It's split into two games - Question Arcs and Answer Arcs, each with four episodes.
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2. Get the Manga
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The manga is a great adaptation!
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You can get it in huge dense paperback volumes, and Amazon also has it on digital.
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Unfortunately, it's not out through episode 8 yet.
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3. The Screenshot LP
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some asshole did a complete LP of the games
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If you don't want to spend dollars, this is probably your best bet?
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You shouldn't do Umineko if:
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1. You don't have the stomach for stories that take a long while to get going
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2. You can't handle scenes of child abuse, of which there are several
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3. Implied (but not depicted) rape in a story is a hard pass
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You should do Umineko if:
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1. You like the pointing and yelling about minutiae that makes up the core of shit like Ace Attorney and Dangan Ronpa
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4. you have difficulty with depictions of incest
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yes thank you
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I knew I forgot one
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2. I dunno man, if the last 40 comments of this plurk sound intriguing
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3. I really like Umineko
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There's a 9th episode coming out soon, and When They Cry 5 is also on the horizon, so now's as good a time as any
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If you have any other questions I can field them here to the best of my ability
yousoro!
god I forgot how good the manga art is
chaos magic☆
i think my favorite part of umineko is that i really like how all the female characters are really fleshed out as actual characters
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and even while depicting the rampant sexism of the era, it doesnt treat them as mere objects
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yes! nearly every character gets huge amounts of development and analysis
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while i do have characters i dont like, it's definitely not because they have bad writing. i think every main character (of which there are so many) was carved out and painted in a very three dimensional way
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many characters do brutally, realistically awful things, and the story dedicates itself not to excusing them but to explaining how they got to where they are
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also the music is bomb
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like
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the music. is incredible.
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even if the art doesnt sell you, the music will
𝗕𝘂𝗻𝗻𝘆 𝗩𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗲
the music and voice acting are absolutely fucking stellar
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Beatrice is my favorite character in any work of fiction
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oh! speaking of the voice acting, there's currently an official english dub project for the game called Umineko Gold that's in the works
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It seems to unfortunately be in development hell right now
Battler
Hopefully that will come out soon.
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it's been radio silent for months
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Also, magic and witches are not real
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If you have a tough time following along with big chunks of text, but you're interested in Umineko, definitely keep an eye out for news
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Yeah, it's an unfortunate combo of one of the key team members having medical trouble just as things were getting going and also some legal stuff on the Japanese side of things
𝗕𝘂𝗻𝗻𝘆 𝗩𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗲
Iirc the reason things have been so quiet is because the Gold team are under a sort of NDA
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yeah
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it's just... it's been a minute
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yeah...
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Battler : magic is absolutely fucking real
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Rama : fucking prove it
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if magic is fake then so is goat-kun
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I don't want to live in that universe
sailor bii
magic exists but possibly on a metaphorical level and not a physical one
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magic exists bc the best character is fantasy side
sailor bii
that's a strong argument there
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excuse me my wife kyrie ushiromiya doesnt appreciate this
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sit back down rudolf
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rudolf nobody wants you here
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kyrie is cool though
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umineko is great
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on the music front: there’s a reason umineko is officially referred to as a “sound novel” instead of a “visual novel”. that music fucking rips.
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the sound is a vital component its true
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also!
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i didnt see it mentioned so i'm going to drop in and stan the russian patch for a second
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The Umineko Project is a fan-made, entirely above-board attempt at copying the PS3 version of the game to PC. however, you cannot download it if you don't own the physical version of the game, as they have the download link hidden behind a mini-puzzle that requires information from the physical booklets and discs
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the PS3 version has voices, more sprites, and animated CG's, among other things
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the download puzzle is their attempt at compromising with the fact that there is no real way to make you pay for this - yes, you can probably look up the information somewhere if you're sneaky/smart, but they would prefer you to also support Ryukishi and 07 in the process
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(it's also technically a re-translation with an attempt at being more faithful then Witch Hunt. i have mixed opinions on this, but i do like some of their changes)
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It's also entirely on Youtube, or at least everything up to EP8, as EP8 hasn't been done yet.
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i wholeheartedly recommend the ps3/umineko project version, as all of the voices are gorgeous and Sayaka Ohara's Beato cackles are literally to die for
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also you get to hear Daisuke Ono scream a lot
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oh! last I checked, Umineko Project was only up to ep5
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Battler is our favorite dumbass and also I need to work on bringing the literally worst person on earth out if retirement
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Quinneapolis : they've just started on ep8!
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out of nowhere they blitzed ahead
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nice
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also another + in umineko's favor is hey, canon lesbians! admittedly both of them are questionably good people but they exist
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I'm gonna go ahead and delete the latter comment
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for spoilers
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fair
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i was trying to think of how to word it vaguely enough
Subarashii
Umineko is great if you like chaotic characters and I sure as hell do
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so many good gremlins to enjoy
Rama
chaos!!!!!
MundersOWundus
Love Snake Kaja
Umineko means a lot to me, I'll say that.
pastel ranma
What would you say the overall tone is? Would you say it's no more bleak than say Danganronpa?
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Because I can take tragedy there's just an upper limit I can stomach.
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It... hmm
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It has moments of darkness that get VERY dark, but an undercurrent of hope runs through the story
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it is pretty goddamn tragic
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i like calling it bittersweet
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yeah
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Yeah I can take bleak moments with an undercurrent of hope.
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because yeah it is really goddamn tragic, and some of the ep's end... on a much darker note then others. but overall the message carries through
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I was just hoping it wasn't oppressively dismal.
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There's some shows/games like that I really can't stomach. Not because I think they're bad but yeah my brain has a limit
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The last few episodes were written after the author lost his best friend unexpectedly, so it’s very... it has a feeling and message of healing, even under the tragedy.
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It believes in human decency, in the end
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despite all of the bad sides of us, which it doesn't shy away from
pastel ranma
Okay then I think I can give the LP a go. Thanks for answering ^^
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ENJOY
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have fun!!
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