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oh Ed, being vaguely friendly with poor Andy Barclay. "Oh your foster parents were murdered? That probably won't happen here!"
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Ed: "Did you kill your foster parents?
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ed, just because you probably killed your abusive parents (we'll never know because canon sadly didn't go there) doesn't mean all children are murders
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he is FASCINATED at the idea that either there is a murder doll killing children's parents or this boy thinks there is a murder doll
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and is using this to murder his own foster parents
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either way, he's sold on this kid being interesting
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also ed totally murdered his abusive parents, not that canon felt the need to confirm that but I mean. comeon.
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I think based on how he reacted to his first canon kill with Doughy Tom, that he probably repressed it and that's where the Riddler half first showed up but got pushed aside so much that it wasn't until the "no body no crime" stuff happened that he had a chance to come out again
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Yeah, I think you are right about that. It makes a lot of sense.
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Given how very very well he is able to just disappear an entire murder
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the psychotic break that brought about the second personality was just ... it felt like that personality was always there waiting for a chance to slip through a crack
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there was no hint of any kind of psycosis in that regard beforehand
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ed had his quirks but he wasn't a murderer.. he was a guy with no understanding of boundaries and very much willing to frame others who had hurt him (see the M.E. who did a shit job) but overall, they showed no hints he'd be up for murder before that
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just a lot of gleeful chaos and riddles
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no, not at all.

y, afaik the biggest thing he did was what? Hide body parts in the ME's locker?
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yup
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Which...yes, is...very creepy and shady, but it's hardly murder
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like, already cut up body parts, too
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he just stole them from evidenve
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(which lol great security, GCPD)
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but y, beyond that it was just Knowing A Lot Of Random Trivia, Riddles and No Personal Boundaries
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see kristin kringle and even his first meeting with Oswald
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look, a known assassin walked in and ordered all the cops out so he could try to kill Gordon without witnesses and the cops went. The GCPD is a joke
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this is known
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Oswald regularly snuck in the "back entrance" that no one guarded and was right near the evidence locker
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gotham is just Like That
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Gotham is Gotham
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Ed managed to drag an entire corpse into the GCPD in GIANT SUITCASES and no one went "....wait, why is ed bringing in giant suitcases?" gotham is so very gotham
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that was so funny
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he just Smiled at people, pushed them around, and no one said anything or noticed anything
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he was so totally ignored except when ppl needed answers and then they hardly ever credited him for his work in getting them
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kristin's body? Somehow riddler managed to get that into the GCPD without anyone noticing
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And pieces of her....into the vending machine, if I recall?
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the GCPD is absolutely a joke
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yeah, her hand
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her entire hand
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in the vending machine
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And somehow no one noticed an ENTIRE HAND
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I'm telling you, that back door near the evidence locker got so much use
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It wasn't even that far back!

It really did
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no wonder gotham needs batman
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BACK TO ANDY: at least it's ed greeting him, Os would be all "well, if you HAD murdered them, telling people it was really a possessed doll that did it would be a great way to get you a lighter sentence and counciling"
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....I was about to say it's not like Arkham has a children's wing but
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then I remember jonathan crane was in arkham when he was what, 15?
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so I guess they DO have a children's wing
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Ed: A doll tried to kill people to steal my body is a great excuse
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i don't know John's age
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I thought he was at least 16, possibly 17
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cause I think he was pulled out of school around 15/16 and had been out for about a year working with his father
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and then he was in arkham - and then old enough to be charged with criminal charges rather than whatever under 18 yr-olds usually get when he "escaped" and went on a murder spree
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(i.e. was taken without his will then forcibly re-traumatized)
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his age was always weird for me
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y, same. Given he's supposed to be much older than bruce, comics-wise. But.
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Given how much trauma he underwent, he sure did get a lot of criminal charges
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wiki says that weird release kidnapping thing was three years after he was put in, so he's at least 18 at time of trial if he was put in at 15, potentially 20 or so
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his actor was 16 during season 1
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so i'm gonna say he was 16 in season 1 and 19 in season 4
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Then they switched actors for late season 4, early season 5 (bc the original was filming castle rock, I believe)

16 and 19 makes sense, y!
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I feel like there should be a better option for a teenager than Arkham
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unless you never ever want them to improve ever
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tetch's actor is 10 years his senior, though honestly tetch came across as early/mid-twenties when we first meet him in season 3
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y I def think he was supposed to be early 20s, mid 20s
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I bring this up because Tetch is by far the closest thing we ever saw to Crane having a real friend
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which...came across better whenthe actor shaved his 'stach

he really did, y.
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They seemed very friendly
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and they tended to have the same kind of humor and got a lot of references which lent itself to being closer in age for socialization
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I actually wish we'd seen more of their interactions in arkham
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but I imagine that was less the writers not wanting to write them and more actor availability
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probably.
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I think the goatee and stache debackle was cause Tetch had another role at the time and a contract about his looks
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otherwise he probably would have had it. he looked better with the scruff
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and that was mostly due to the styling, but the styling they did for him was made for scruff
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I think that's probably it, yeah.

It was y. The lack of scruff made me double take and go "....wait IS that Tetch?"
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https://imgs.plurk.com/Qwz/r0C/XBvWUGvDUYMZt2GAnWWevdV5uC7_lg.png
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someone would have to laugh for an hour
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ed on valentines day: okay, I have heart eyes. now what?
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everyone else, internally: but they're still green...
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externally: You're great! Awesome
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everything will always be green forever
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i know it's not canon in the comics, but like the idea that he eventually adds the purple in as a nod to Oswald
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and Oswald wears accessories occasionally that feature question marks
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which is actually canon
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off topic again
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my mind is everywhere tonight just trying to stay awake
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I also like that idea, y!
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And I don't mind off topic and chattery!
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thanks to dick day, Ed DOES have some purple in his wardrobe
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pfft
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I'm sure it looks bafflingly out of place
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nah, put on a purple t-shirt and throw a green suit over it
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it'll look all business casual but gaudy
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which is perfect
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he DOES have a purple t-shirt.
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clearly he can wear that when os gets home. for gaudiness or some such
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