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How intense does abuse have to be before you’d consider leaving?
wasabi3938
jesus christ just dump him
pita6742
Any abuse is too much
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What if it’s just yelling and aggressive body language?
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What if he threatens to take everything if you leave?
olive3135
Lawyer up then leave
falcon3425
Then it's still ABUSE, and it will escalate. Please, as someone who went through this. Leave while you can, even if you don't think you can.
wasabi3938
I don't think it's better to stay and be miserable
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I’m scared he’ll take my cat and I’ll never see it again. :-(
crane7515
if you know its abuse, leave. leave then. most abusive relationships come with a lot of brain washing and you don't realize its abuse.
soda4109
Maybe make arrangements to board your cat somewhere while you get out.
crane7515
if you're afraid he'll take your cat, take the cat with you when you escape! don't leave it behind and try to come back for it later.
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Right now it feels like someone scooped my heart out with an ice cream scoop. :-(
wasabi3938
make secret plans and don't tell him.
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He threatened to take the house, money, etc.
wasabi3938
are you married?
falcon3425
Honey you need to go. I'm sorry. You should never have to feel like this. As far as the cat goes, take every vet bill that you paid, every medical record that lists you as owner, every pet store food receipt you might still have.
crane7515
speak to a women's shelter they can give you information
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wasabi3938: ...
crane7515
they can recommend legal counsel, they can help you so much
crane7515
abusive men will make threats to keep you in place, do not listen, save yourself before you end up getting killed
falcon3425
Look, he's made it really hard to leave. He did that on purpose. He's threatening you with things that are not in his power.
pita6742
is there a way you could open a separate and secret bank account if your finances are shared?
pita6742
i mean if you're asking us internet people this question, i'm gonna guess you've reached the point that you really do feel that the abuse is unbearable so that's your answer right there
olive3135
You have legal rights. Talk to a social service and get advice. He can't just take everything.
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He’s not always like this. He just snaps.
falcon3425
It's your house too. It's your money too, no matter how much he made vs. what you made.
falcon3425
Please look up "cycle of abuse."
falcon3425
Of course he's not always like that. He couldn't keep anyone long enough to trap them, if he was always like that.
crane7515
its abuse, even if he's not always like this. i was in an emotionally abusive relationship for 5 years. there were tons of times he was awesome and i loved him so much, and he made me feel like dog shit and destroyed every friendship i had and all of my confidence. i was lucky that i didn't live with him in real life.
olive3135
How long have you been together? How often does he snap? Is it getting worse over time? Is it threatening - are you afraid? Have you talked about this when things are calm?
pigeon4511
aggressive body language, boy bye. yelling rarely? maybe if we're having a mutual fight. yelling regularly? boy bye. threats of any kind? boy bye.
crane7515
this is nimil if you need someone to talk to privately about this. i have been there. get out now <3
falcon3425
He's threatening now. Next, he'll try lovebombing. Telling you how special you are, how much you do for him, how he couldn't bear to lose you. Please, please, don't let him fool you. He's said it all before, and he doesn't change.
olive3135
This is isabeal - I teach classes on domestic violence. I can give you some resources if you're in the US
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It’s been about 5 years. He’s actually getting better but it’s still so bad sometimes
crane7515
he's not getting better he's just wearing a mask
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It’s like he snaps, and every conversation and breakthrough we’ve ever had never happened
soda4109
Yeah. Threats like the kind he is making are a sign to get out. Maybe start looking into the logistics of it and make some plans. You don't have to get out overnight (unless you are in danger)
falcon3425
This is Miyani. I also said he was getting better. He wasn't. He was getting better at hiding, and convincing, but then every explosion was worse.
crane7515
because there's no breakthrough, he's just learned how to wear the mask better to keep you where you are.
olive3135
What are the consequences for him if he doesn't change?
olive3135
You only have 1 life. Don't spend it with someone who doesn't make you happy.
falcon3425
You deserve better than to walk on eggshells all the time, to keep from setting him off. He's ALWAYS going to go off, even if it doesn't have anything to do with you. But you will be the one he takes it out on.
milk4140
"he just snaps" could easily result in him snapping and killing you. this is barb, like Miyani above, i also thought he could get help and that he was my best friend and that i couldn't leave him because my life would be over. it was rough, but i did it. please seek professional help.
falcon3425
Think about it... and I mean, really think. Has he ever "snapped" with a boss? Or a friend? Or is it just you? Is he saving all of it up, to take out on you?
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milk4140: he has professional help. But I guess he needs more
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falcon3425: I haven’t seen him snap like that with anyone else. Maybe his mom.
falcon3425
The other woman he has power over?
olive3135
I'm so sorry you have to go through this, OP.
milk4140
sweets, i'm not talking about him, i'm talking about you.
pita6742
Professional help is good, but it's not your job to wait for him to treat you decently while he makes you feel threatened
falcon3425
If he can keep it in check when the "important" people are around, it's not an anger management issue. He is choosing when to let go and show his abusive self.
milk4140
if you're starting sentences with "i'm scared he will.." its time to make a plan and get the fuck out. you will need support for that.
pita6742
also I don't have a lot of faith in abusers suddenly not being abusers anymore
pita6742
they tend to escalate, not stop
milk4140
^^^
falcon3425
pita, exactly. It's "only" physical intimidation and verbal abuse now. And he's gotten away with it, he's comfortable in that space. It will get worse. And it can get worse very quickly.
falcon3425
Anon, please... we care about you, and want you to be ok. It's better to be alive and left with nothing, than it is to be dead at the hands of someone who was supposed to love you. And it won't come to that, because he doesn't have any more right to your shared property than you do. If your only account is a joint account, then take half, make a new account,
wizard7096
At first threat. Take your cat with you. Plan your exit, have a friend hold your cat/possessions if necessary
falcon3425
without his name on it.
falcon3425
Yes, if you can find someone to take the cat for a bit, do that.
falcon3425
Live in your car for a bit, or call womens shelters, they have a ton of good resources for you to talk to, and can put you up (and are well trained in turning away abusive exes)
falcon3425
A womens shelter will also have numbers for lawyers who take cases pro bono, to help abused women divorce and get their fair share.
falcon3425
And I don't know your situation, but if you've been a SAHM, you still get a fair share.
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I feel pretty alone on this. The friends I have locally I’ve been alienated from, and my family is checked out.
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falcon3425: I haven’t thought about it that way. That’s concerning.
cobra3292
Well what are you getting out of it if you stay?
cobra3292
Just listen to everyone make an exit plan, stash the cat before hand. even if you have to lie "he ran out the door" and cry over it.
pony6609
do you have a friend that you can slowly start moving stuff that you want to save that they will keep for you, perhaps the cat?
ibis2740
Don't stay long enough for him to "snap" and seriously hurt you. Get out, cut your losses, take your cat and get out. And get a restraining order.
cobra3292
If you don't have money go get a job either from home or outside the home. Don't use a joint acct or one he has access to, and dont even use a previously used pin just something random
cobra3292
maybe if you re approach a safe friend who has been absent for awhile they can help you. make sure they don't like them. Also, prior I would make a second fb or social media accts and move your real friends over, and abandon the other. You never actually said if you are married. Hopefully you aren't. Remove your name from things.
cobra3292
Lots of things can be moved prior, maybe youre spring cleaning or marie kondo'ing your life when on the sly it's being packed up and stored at a friends.
cobra3292
Then leave a dear john letter and leave. Hopefully block his ass and start over somewhere else.
gnu9706
I'm in the same position, it's not as easy as just leaving, but I agree with planning first and then getting out. Make sure you know exactly what you're going to do and don't tell anyone, and take your cat, of course.
gnu9706
The final straw for me was actually something very small, it doesn't have to be something huge, the only thing you have to know is make your way out of there. Even if it's slowly... in fact making sure you have a safety net is really important.
falcon3425
So... at this point you can see that you're definitely not alone.
falcon3425
We've all got you. You don't have to do this by yourself.
falcon3425
But you need to leave, before it gets worse.
pomelo9692
It'll be hard, and it'll be awful at first, but you can leave. It might feel hopeless, but I hope you know you can do it. It'll suck. It'll keep sucking for a long time. And then it'll start to suck less. And one day you'll meet someone else. And you'll see what relationships are SUPPOSED to be like. It will get better... just not with them.
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I just told my mom that I’m scared of him and she said I need to try and understand him because we’re on the same team. I feel totally helpless when I hear this.
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Yes, I’m married. :-( cobra3292:
soda4109
Your mom is wrong. He's clearly on his own team and not yours.
wizard7096
Your mom is wrong. Don't go to her for advice
falcon3425
Yes, exactly what wizard said. She doesn't know what he's done to you. Even if you told her, she doesn't really get it.
falcon3425
She's in her own form of denial.
falcon3425
I don't want to compromise your anon status, but can you tell us what state you're in? It might help us to help you.
worm91
sue this fuck
worm91
lawyer up
worm91
you need post divorce and abuse therapy and he needs to pay for it all
cafe989
You got some good advice here. Sit and think about things and make your plans. We are in your corner. We support you and we believe you.
eel8368
He's not going to get better. Are you willing to put up with this for the rest of your life? Get out now.
tuna6991
is he the one that will play video games all day? You need to leave
worm91
if this is who i think it is, i feel so sorry for you.
worm91
i was so convinced that you were leaving this clown, but it turns out that didnt happen
worm91
and you were putting up with all this the whole time
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worm91: damn, this isn't who you think it is. I've never posted about this before. way to be aggressive...
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thanks everyone...processing all of this...
milk4140
please reach out if you need to. - barb
whale6142
The fact that you even ask this question makes me roll my eyes. That first contact and anyone should leave.
pigeon4511
we don't live in an ideal world, there are nuances in relationships that you cannot judge as a third party. lots of people don't start out so obviously abusive
owl294
To all those rolling their eyes and say just leave, it’s not always that simple or easy. I do agree you need to get out. Start by moving small things he wouldn’t notice. And remember things can be replaced! You can just go and take only what is vital. I know it may seem overwhelming but this plurk shows you are not alone
oyster3682
any abuse = dump them
wizard7096
Here's the thing about abuse. On a scale of 1 to 100, 1 is unacceptable. It always goes up.
Abuse is not arguing or snark or pettiness. Abuse is undercutting your confidence and sense of self, isolating you, and/or physical harm.

Remember the only acceptable level of abuse is None.
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