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i think chernobyl might be one of my favorite shows
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I'm still mildly obsessed tbh
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it's so
fucking good
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It works fantastically on pretty much every single level they were going for
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As a docudrama, a horror film, and a disaster movie
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Hell even the love story and the courtroom drama
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yes exactly
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i was thinking earlier about why i love ep 5 so much
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and it's because i'm a sucker for the whole courtroom drama "unveiling the crime" sequence
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I'm still WAITING for someone to do a red card/blue card meme re: What Happened To Game of Thrones
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also it's cool that i come away from the show actually knowing a bit more about how at least a certain type of reactor works?
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Yeah
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the science is all still kind of greek to me but like
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And they managed to do it in a way that it doesn't feel like gratuitous exposition/infodumping
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the way legasov and scherbina break it all down is both interesting and informative
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i think the most interesting thing overall about this show is something that craig mazin said in the podcast
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and that's that, the actual people at this time--the plant workers, the party members, the average joes in pripyet
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they all lived in a world where chernobyl had not yet happened
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Also really, REALLY tangential but it's spooking me in hindsight that Stellan Skarsgard got cast as the young Father Merrin in that awful Exorcist prequel back in 200something because he looks almost EXACTLY like middle-aged Max Von Sydow NOW
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like for one thing: everyone asserting that a reactor can't explode
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Because for all they knew, even the experts, it literally couldn't
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a reactor CAN'T explode. even i understand that a nuclear reactor and a nuclear bomb are extremely different in how they function
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a reactor can destabilize or meltdown or any number of things, but it's just not...built to ever act like a bomb. quite the opposite
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It was essentially a perfect storm of conditions
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even the kyshtym disaster, which frankly like, no one even in the sovient union knew about, that wasn't a reactor exploding
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saying that a reactor exploded, at the time, it would be like. walking up to someone and trying to say that spontaneous human combustion is a thing and you deffo saw it happen
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BTW pen did you know the screenplay is online and readable for free now?
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it's absurd to us that dyatlov and to a lesser degree the other men in the room would be like "i mean no that's not possible it's gotta be the hydrogen"
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Courtesy of Craig Mazin
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YOOOOO THAT'S EXCELLENT
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Should be the first item listed
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also i feel like americans in particular are.....more afraid of nuclear power than a lot of other countries?
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A lot of us grew up with reactor = bomb by popcultural osmosis
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oh god definitely read the screenplay it's
it's So Much
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IT'S SO GOOD
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for one thing the general populace isn't super scientifically educated, so you hear the word "nuclear" and the first thing you think is "hiroshima"
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YEAH we have an innate fear of anything nuclear
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There's bits in it that didn't end up in the show
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and then maybe the fifth thing you think is "three mile island"
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And you get what's going on in some of the character's heads
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the association is pretty tainted and stereotyped to mostly draw connections to- yeah, shit like Three Mile Island
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Mazin went all out and the actors ran with it
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we also had all those people who left the manhattan project coming out of it going "this is some wild ass shit, yo"
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Yeah
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I mean it's kind of frightening just thinking about the spread of fallout from the testing they did out in Nevada
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and then we have our government try to tell us that nuclear power is safe, only for them to cut corners like all governments always do and allow three mile island to happen
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that they didn't really.........notify people of
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That's the thing
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nuclear power SHOULD be safe
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If done properly, it'
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s actually VERY SAFE
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it's, like. STATISTICALLY. STATISTICALLY, it is the safest and cleanest type of power, like, after solar probably?
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Yep
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but then of course
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But capitalism and greed
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we had the nuclear safety movies
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yeah, it's a very clean power
but when it does go wrong it goes wrong
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we had the day after
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oof, yeah
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Threads is worse but yes.
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like
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i could be wrong
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I still can't rewatch Threads or Barefoot Gen
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The Day After apparently even hit Ronnie Raygun hard, which is fucking impressive
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but the average american in the eighties could probably tell you that "nuclear power can be dangerous" and "radiation is extremely dangerous" and "nuclear power operates using radiation or something"
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i'm not sure the average soviet ukranian could have told you the same?
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Which gets shown in the dialogue of the people on the bridge
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like the soviets covered up kyshtym, they told their people nuclear power was safe, but they still saw hiroshima and nagasaki the same as the rest of the world
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so...how did it come to be that soviet people didn't associate nuclear power with nuclear bombs? how did the "radiation bad" mentality not come into play?
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was it just sheer propaganda? like, even in america, even us who dropped the bombs, we had photographs of what had happened, the average person could be like "oh yeah, hiroshima, that was horrible" with assorted arguments about whether it was necessary or whatever
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I mean. I can guess that a big part of that is propaganda?
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like i wonder if the photographs and information about what really happened to hiroshima was just never disseminated?
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lockdown was so tight on what information was disseminated and what wasn't
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to the soviet people?
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lkgkdjfn
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yeah i mean it's understandable, right?
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precisely
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if you want your people to be okay with nuclear power--and they neede nuclear power because they have to stay ahead of the americans
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Dude I watched White Light/Black Rain on Youtube and 90% of the comments were STILL arguing over whether it was necessary
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then you have to maybe eliminate any negative association with the word "nuclear"
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i dunno i'd be curious to find out about like. the exact propaganda and dissemination of information about nuclear stuff BEFORE chernobyl happened
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they just stand on the bridge and--like i know that scene is based on an urban legend
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but there's anecdotal evidence of people just kind of watching the fire or hanging out under a smoke filled sky and not thinking anything of it all
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The fact that people watched from the bridge wasn't an urban legend, the fact that they all died is.
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ohhhh, okay
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We don't actually know what happened to them
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(i've been doing a lot of reading and there's a lot of conflicting info)
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There wasn't any ashfall either
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At least not that night
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since they haven't exactly been forthcoming on the
you know
actual death toll
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right
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there's one butthurt forbes writer who was complaining about how the show demonizes nuclear power
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that mentioned that the bridge thing was an urban legend, but failed to clarify which part was the urban legend
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Though man a lot of it was MORE insane than in the show
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exactly!
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i actually watched zero hour the other day?
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The firefighters went out in short sleeves
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it is SHOCKING how similar it is
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SHORT SLEEVES
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yeah! it was unseasonably warm!!
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The guy who held the reactor room door? HE FUCKING LIVED.
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the day after was a very nice warm day!
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yuvchenko is a fucking hero i love him
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He spent almost two years in the hospital but he didn't die til fucking 2006.
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Because he was 6'5" and built like a truck.
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WAIT HE'S DEAD
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I THOUGHT HE WAS STILL ALIVE
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Yeah, he died of cancer in '06.
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NOOOOO
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Two of the divers are still alive though!
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:c
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that's good at least
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ugh! i just!
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i love this show and this stuff is so fascinating and sad and horrible
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Oh god I got hold of Voices From Chernobyl
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Lyudmilla Ignatenko's story is the first one in the book and it fucking WRECKED me
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FUCK
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i need to hit my library
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god
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it's so
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like, being born in 87 is so vastly different from being born like one or two years earlier
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i have zero memory of there being a soviet union, i have zero memory of fear of nuclear annihilation, anything like that
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I was six when Chernobyl happened and I don't remember it because Challenger wiped out everything else from that year.
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yeah, god
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'86 was A Year shit boy
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my mom still gets upset when she watches footage of the challenger
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Yeah.
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Same, double same for Columbia because I was in college.
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I couldn't believe it had happened again.
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it's weird to think about how these things define you, but then there's people born just a few years later who don't remember it at all
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It's very, very strange being one of the last generation to remember the Cold War as an active event.
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i mean it's gotta be fucking nuts seeing history kind of repeat itself, right?
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A lot of people don't realize how scary the 80s were fuck
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i literally don't understand how anyone forty and over in russia can abide putin and the current state of things
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Yeah
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like i don't understand how people who were there for these things can repeat the same mistakes
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Other than so much of the Russian mentality seems to be built around "...oh okay here we go again."
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i can understand history repeating itself over the course of a hundred years because human memory is so fucking short
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lmfao christ yeah
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But then again I feel the need to temper that assumption because I am not Russian.
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right?
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one of my coworkers is russian-born and she's been here for ten years
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Evacuation | Chernobyl OST
THIS PIECE OF MUSIC. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
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It's titled "Evacuation" for some reason but it's the soundtrack from when Sitnikov gets frogmarched onto the roof and then it cuts from his thousand-yard stare to Dyatlov seeing the actual scope of what happened while being dragged to an ambulance
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That scene fries me
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that's the other thing
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for all that the real world dyatlov was a stubborn, shittyass person
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like you can UNDERSTAND
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like i said about how reactors can't just explode
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also he was in a tiny room in a massive, massive power plant
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The meat of the show STARTS with him being in shock
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the turbine halls are a fucking kilometer long i think?
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i think dyatlov started in denial and stayed in denial until the day he died
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And then he defaults to denial because
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Yeah, they were alllllll the way on the other end of the building
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finding out the rbmk reactor had a design flaw gave him just enough of an out
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i mean, can you imagine trying to live with that kind of guilt otherwise?
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and maybe he even had a point about how chernobyl, or at least a chernobyl, was inevitable
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but he still made all those terrible decisions
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the more i learn about real world dyatlov the more i see him as a really kind of tragic figure
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i mean so is legasov
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so are a lot of them
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i wonder if legasov's tapes are out there somewhere...
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Just to give you a sense of what is actually happening when the reactor lid goes bang in the fifth episode: https://preview.redd.it/q3rb1melavw21.jpg
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oh come on
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hold on
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error 403
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https://images.plurk.com/7tzjKWFhfopxPfNDY89RAu.jpg
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jesus
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That thing is as large as a couple of fucking decks
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And it pops off like a pringles can lid.
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is that green thing the lid?
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Yeah
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christ
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like
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And that was the smaller explosion
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what is the PSI necessary to blow that thing off?
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man you know what i appreciate also in the show
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the lighting
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especially in ep 1
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like 90% of the time if you have something radioactive on screen, it's glowing neon green
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Oh that horrible Lovecraftian yellow light
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or it's blue because cherenkov effect
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but it's still that like, fake neon glow
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The flames of the graphite fire in the core just look...wrong
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Yeah
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but with this, when you see the firefighters at the fire or when you look into the core
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yes. exactly. it's this sickly yellow color and it's bright and all-consuming
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i don't know how they managed to depict something as being That Bright while not like, washing out everything else on the screen
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Also the smoke when Sitnikov goes out on the roof
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it just. you see it and it looks wrong, it feels wrong
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It's just...aggressive.
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there's just something about it
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I don't know what else to call it.
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yesssss
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there's something weird, unnatural, feral about it
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it's like if rabies had a colo
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it's not alien either
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it's just......sick
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Combined with the spaghetti of bent fuel channels and control rods it really, really does a great job of actually capturing a cosmic horror type feel visually
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yeah, god
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what do you think would have happened if we had found it easier to reproduce fusion energy as opposed to fission
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so our bombs and energy were based around fusion instead
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They are.
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Energy, no.
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But modern thermonuclear weapons are essentially fusion bombs.
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yikes
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i'll admit i think i know more about how reactors work than bombs
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H-bombs and A-bombs are two different animals.
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hey expo is it true that when they tested the very first bomb, they didn't know what would happen and thought maybe it would ignite the atmosphere
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Some of the scientists, yep, or that we'd end up with a mini-star glowing out in the middle of the NM desert.
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We had no idea if "on paper" would equal "IRL"
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it rained glass
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People collected it!
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They made jewelry out of it!!
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how radioactive is it, anyway?
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it's essentially like.....uranium fused glass?
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Trinitite isn't dangerously radioactive? It's basically like old-fashioned uranium glass yeah.
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But still. wtf, the 50s.
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jesus
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I wouldn't be able to stand having a piece of it in my house, my skin would crawl right off my bones for half a dozen reasons.
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None of them radiophobia.
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Grigorii Khmel, the driver of one of the fire engines, later described what happened:

“We arrived there at 10 or 15 minutes to two in the morning…. We saw graphite scattered about. Misha asked: “Is that graphite?” I kicked it away. But one of the fighters on the other truck picked it up."
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YEP THAT HAPPENED TOO
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right?????????
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fucking insane
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you know what's kind of weird
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my first memory of like....understanding what "radioactive" or "radiation" even meant
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was when we lived in massachusetts
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i think this is a thing with a lot of massachusetts, but there are places that are built right on limestone bedrock
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and i guess limestone absorbs and releases radon
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so we had to have a radon detector in our basement
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i remember asking my dad about it one time and i can't remember his explanation but i remember understanding that it was like a fire alarm. where if you hear it go off, you get out of the house
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OH YEAH when we were kids we got these little thingies that looked like cat food cans with holes punched in the lids that were radon test kits!
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but that there's no fire. it's just something invisible that doesn't have a smell
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I haven't heard anything about radon in decades
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apparently houses still have them
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Granted I live in California
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well fuck me. just googled it and
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apparently 1 in 15 homes has elevated radon levels. wow.
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yeah that's not something you ever really hear about
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it's usually just carbon monoxide
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I haven't heard the word in so long that I'd literally forgotten about it until you just mentioned it
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apparently it's only really an issue if you have a basement
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Yeah those...aren't a thing in California.
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actually i'm not sure if radon is even radioactive?
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It should not be difficult to understand why.
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LEL
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