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[Mass Effect] Okay, watching all of these romances and videos of stuff I've not played through, and... I'm noticing things.
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There are things that the devs just. Had no idea how to write. And I mean zero idea how to write.
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Not to mention that Mark Meer's voice acting is... well.
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i am still afraid to look up miranda’s romance, ngl
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But. I've watched the Garrus, Tali, Thane, Kaidan, Ashley, and Miranda romances and some of them are handled damn well.
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Mark Meer’s Shepard spent the entire trilogy stoned off his ass
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I mean, Bioware can't do alien sex to save their lives. They're happy to show all the bras and boobs and panties and boxer briefs in the world, but one naked turian won't make the world explode.
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(Andromeda changed that with the Angara but only the Angara.)
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to be fair, garrus is exactly the sort of dude who would wear a suit to a booty call
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Yeah, but I can't imagine Turians fuck fully clothed.
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And Tali is very plain about wanting 'your skin on mine.'
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And yet, where's our naked purple girl?
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i mean, in ancient china, humans fucked fully clothed
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Anyway.
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That's all kind of beside my point.
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legit!
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My point is that some of these romances are nothing but cringeworthy.
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whispers Jack
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Jack's.... There are parts of hers I like? Like how she has to be won over and how it's a big deal for her to open up emotionally.
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But she's so busy being 3 edgy 5 me that it's. Cringe.
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(also, her no homo was extra cringe but that’s beside the point as well)
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Garrus is on the edge of cringe. I like that they touch on his awkwardness with romance and it comes through genuine when it matters, but there are still some hella cringe moments.
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Ashley's romance is... I just watched it for the first time. I am still not an Ashley fan. But ngl, they wrote her romance for the most part very well. Except for her constantly calling Shepard sir.
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LMAO YEAH I PLAYED GARRUS’S ROMANCE THE FIRST TIME THROUGH ME2 AND I GOTTA ADMIT THERE WERE TIMES I HAD TO LOOK AWAY AND GO “LA LA LA”
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hey, don’t kinkshame ash
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There's kinkshaming and then there's 'inability to separate rank from romance' and I feel like it falls into the latter. Especially when she's hung over in the floor.
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[edi voice] that was a joke
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My biggest complaint with what I see in all this is that they have... some of the worst inconsistent characterisation with some of these.
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but nah yeah that’s a valid criticism
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especially like. if you look at some of ash’s tie-in materials
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her prequel comic has her have an abortive romance with a subordinate iirc? and it’s all about her navel-gazing re: romance in the ranks and it’s like
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gosh, bioware, you sure did conceive of this female marine character initially just as a romance for M!Shep, didn’t you
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They have no idea what to do with Kaidan. Jack is almost pure fetish material. Garrus is awkward basement dweller fantasy. Tali is virginal purity.
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Thane was WORKSHOPPED to be the ULTIMATE FEMALE PLAYER ROMANCE
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AND THEY KILLED HIM
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HAHAHA cry
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(Which says volumes, really.)
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you haven’t even mentioned jacob
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That's because Jacob is the Kaidan replacement goldfish.
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He doesn't get a mention.
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with bonus random infidelity!!!
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"Oh yeah, you were in prison for a while, and since I couldn't reach you for three seconds, I met another woman and got her pregnant, hope you understand."
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Dot. Dot. Dot.
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I'm glad I got warned about him because I was about to romance him and then my friend was like NO GO FOR GARRUS
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.... GOOD TO KNOW. WHAT THE HELL BIOWARE
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and like, really strong workplace harassment overtones, like wow, boyo was the MOST reluctant to start stuff with shep and i can see why he strayed
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Ugh yes the femshep Jacob flirts are.
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/vomits in a corner
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i have some... headcanon there, but they’re probably not appropriate to bring up in someone else’s plurk without content warnings
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I don't mind them, but I have people on my plurks who might not like it, so pp if needed?
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But yeah, all in all, I do feel like the most "mature" romances (as in handling things maturely, not as in bow chicka bow wow) are Thane and Samara.
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yesterday I was messing around with ME2 and I acquired their interactive comic for non-import Sheps. And. MAN the assumption that femShep had three choices: Kaidan, Liara, Decided To Turn Them Down For Mission. thst made me so annoyed.
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For all I adore Kaidan, his characterisation is all over the place. Especially if you're doing a gaymance in ME3.
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They try to play him all goody-two-shoes and it erases so much of what was talked about in ME1.
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(what cracked me up was Shep's narration was all, he's a good kid. but then, also on the tables for smooching???? oooookay bioware)
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Bioware NO.
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I can buy straight-with-an-exception, but I feel like it's... Idk. They didn't do Kaidan well which makes me sad, because I can see what they wanted to do, but failed at.
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(Which is part of why I like him. Canon error, apply fanfic, etc)
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i like to think Kaidan was closeted circa ME1 and spent all of ME2 coming to terms with being bi
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(YEP it is an excellent method)
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Kaidan is very much ME's Cullen-Alistair, and yet, they aren't handled with any of the care. For all Cullen still needs a little work, but at least he's more consistent than Kaidan - he's just more apologised for while Kaidan tends to be shat on.
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I think I'm gonna be applying a LOT of Canon Error, Apply Fanfic/Headcanon to the original trilogy.
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I've been working on a crossoverish thing? Absently. Where Alistair is in the ME universe. And you get more of a view of why Kaidan is so anti-Cerberus in ME2.
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ooooh nice
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i want to crossover so sera and jack can meet
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also though they DID try to kill cullen in literally every epilogue of every dragonage, so “consistent” is relatively speaking here lmao
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I also have another one where the Normandy's crash is in northern Antiva at the end of ME3.
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And I have this whole. Theory. As to why the Reapers never made it there.
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I already have issues with the reapers timeline, so, hit me
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It ties in to red lyrium and titans.
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- NICE
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(I'm caught up on, "all organic life every 50, 000 years, but then, evolution is still.... a thing, HOW DO YOU GET FROM NOTHING BACK TO LIKE THE ASARI, BIOWARE!!!!")
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Reapers get in your head. Lyrium gets in your head. You end up obeying what the lyrium wants, just like indoctrinations.
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(also: "THERE IS NO FOSSIL EVIDENCE OF THIS, DO OTHER ALIEN CULTURES NOT HAVE PALAEONTOLOGISTS. OR ARCHAEOLOGISTS.")
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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
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50k is the generous timeline for behavioral modernity in humans, so, cookies for that, i guess
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So I theorise that there's a leviathan along with the titans, perhaps even creating the titans, in a vast underwater lake, and that leviathan is slowly becoming corrupted by the red lyrium. It's holding it together enough to keep Reapers away, but slowly failing because of what the Blight is starting to do to it. Of everything the Leviathans predicted,
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a world with such a thin border between what is and isn't possible isn't among it.
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Australian Aborigines are thought to have arrived here between 40 and 60K ago, so the whole time Liara was explaining here theories, I was mentally trying to imagine what the cave-art and dreamtime myths of the reapers would be (LOL). if it was just "bust civilizations back down", that'd be fine, but the stress on ALL ORGANIC LIFE!!!! is making me go "...no"
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Lyrium is roughly equivalent to eezo, imo, so it ends up making sense.
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that is an excellent theory, I like it.
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The DA world just has so much eezo that humans (transplanted there by Protheans ages ago) spontaneously became biotic/mages.
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HAH, yes.
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.... god, Solas vs Reapers. He'd just have a FIT.
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(And it lets me get some H/C in as Alistair uses his weakening Templar powers to ease Kaidan's migraines.)
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Solas's MO during DAI is so "no, only I get to destroy the world!!!", he'd be so mad at the Reapers.
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Solas speaking to Harbinger. And then just. Getting lasered.
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Hard boiled egg.
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(And Kaidan eventually leaves and takes all these scans of Alistair to the Salarians to try to cure the Taint.)
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(- YES)
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Alistair's first glimpse of Garrus has him going FEAR DEMON
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yep. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
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I still enjoy the krogan head that's on the wall in the winter palace's study
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There's confirmation in both games that DA and ME take place in the same universe. Which. Has some interesting implications for DAI.
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I MEAN, SOLAS IS BASICALLY JAVIK
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(elfy accent) “in my cycle, we--“
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PMuch!
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Now, let's see Javik face off with Flemeth.
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HAHAHA
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https://images.plurk.com/7F7YE6MfyH1QIa3Z0dhNvF.jpg
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Cecil de Montfort: “the exalted council understands that you’ve discovered an actual ancient elf in the ice box and defrosted him!” inquisitor: [exchanges a Look with Solas] “Yeah, he was, uh, right behind the bronto roast.”
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And the Krogan head.
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HE WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE KROGAN HEAD
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Now we know!
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