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MCU Shhhhh Russos. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. spoilers for end game below:
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"The way Endgame is shot, one could be led to believe that Steve simply zapped himself back to a point when he and Peggy Carter could be together, and the two went on to live happily ever after.

But according to the Russo Brothers, thatโ€™s not the case."
Squad Mom
Because we can't have a happy ending
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"No, he went to go live in another dimension."
Squad Mom
So he didn't end up with Peggy at all?
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"If Steve had done that, heโ€™d fundamentally change the way history played out, making it so that the Avengersโ€™ triumph over Thanos could never happen." ....um
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NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN TIME TRAVEL LOGIC, RUSSOS
Murgy
not in the current timeline
Murgy
I think
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"โ€œThe question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?โ€

The brothers smile.

โ€œInteresting question, right?โ€ Joe said. โ€œMaybe thereโ€™s a story there."
Murgy
the one that Bucky and Same et all were in is different than the one Steve evntually went to
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Murgy apparently he was in ~another dimension~
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not another version of time
Murgy
I know
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"Thereโ€™s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so itโ€™s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what weโ€™re thinking.โ€" or you know
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you could....oh I don't know
Murgy
I was talking about dimensions not timelines
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Explain these things in your goddamned movies, russos
Squad Mom
Then the Russos wouldn't get all the attention
Murgy
he could of talked to the time master
Murgy
just throwing that out there
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"Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? It seems the answer is yes."
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which...makes no sense if old cap was ~in another dimension~
Squad Mom
What are they doing? Backtracking so that they can have whatever ending they want or bring Steve back if needed?
Squad Mom
and oh the fans got angry over Steve/Peggy so now they can deny it and keep the shippers dangling with false hope
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"The truth is, you just can't think about it."
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that's from the comments section not the russos
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That's...not a legitimate defense of a filmโ€™s overall structural weaknesses "don't think about it"
Squad Mom
It's the only way to accept it, I guess
Squad Mom
they could have easily went 'alternate timeline' but instead they have to open their mouths and screw things up
Squad Mom
Maybe they want to do a TV show with other dimension cap and so now they're trying to get it set up
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I know they're doing an animated "WHAT IF" show
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"Did you see that we confirmed that Sebastian Stan exists in the MCU?"
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me: ...the hell? WHO CARES? also...ew.
Squad Mom
The What if is going to have Cap!Peggy so I can deal with some of that
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I do like elseworlds stuff
Squad Mom
so the actor who plays bucky is face twin to Bucky like a fan fic trope
Squad Mom
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to be honest, I just assumed that in the mcu different actors were in hot tub time machine
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I mean that'd be like going "PAUL RJUDD EXISTS BECAUSE SCOTT HAS SEEN CLUELESS LOL"
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Apparently they had to ask RDJ's permission to kill tony, which is
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Some confirmations about Spidey stuff:
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""The reason Spider-Man saw his friend again in high school at the end was simply because his friends were unfortunately also dusted like Spider-Man was."
Murgy
RDJ has equity in the films so that makes sense
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"To those dusted people, they had no conscious in these past 5 years. They didn't know what happened. It's as if they had just woke up from a long sleep. The only one who was aware about how many years has passed was Doctor Strange."
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the one thing that they had going this....possibility over the 14 million other ones Strange saw
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the ONE thing that made this the reality to go with had nothing to do with anything except that this was the only version in which a rat loosed scott from the quantum realm
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or, as the russos call it 'a mouse'
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"Yes, the mouse saved the universe," Russo said. "Among the many realities in those 14 millions possible futures Doctor Strange foresee, the mouse failed to press button and thus the heroes failed in those futures."
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"Q: Why did you make Thor fat?

Russos: Thor suffered more loss than anyone else, he has been living in constant pain and regret."
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"Cap and Red Skull probably won't fight. It's because it's his mission to return the stone to its original place. The Red Skull is also no longer the same Red Skull from FA. "
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"Q: Why didn't Black Widow get a funeral as well?
Russos: Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? "
Squad Mom
I think they like attention and they are trying to be liked by everyone
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They have lost track of their own logic completely haven't they
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Also. It's not like Steve would get there with the Soul Stone, see Red Skull and know immediately that he "isn't the same anymore" whatever that may mean. He'd still totally go "Youuu-!"
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Also them thinking that was a mouse is cute
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They are idiots
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Biggest mouse in the entire universe
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and right? and it's not like RS is going to go 'yo that's not me anymore'
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It also talks but they didn't have time to show that
Squad Mom
I thought that too
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Even if he did say that there still is the issue of Steve plainly calling bullshit. as each and every one of us would too
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awww
ั‚ฯ‰ฮนsั‚ฮตโˆ‚ sั‚ฮตฮตโ„“
they need to learn to shut up.
Haunt
I do not enjoy how much they put their thumbs on the scales in interviews. Like a nugget or two of info coming out? Sure. But this is JK Rowling level stuff here. Put it in the film (or books) or just shhhhhhh.
Haunt
Although it was bothering me because he can't change the past but he can't be in the past without changing it so it does make sense to me that it would become a split off version of reality like Tilda's character described. The part that doesn't make sense is how he's sitting on that bench instead of being in a different reality.
Haunt
And what a glib little answer for that. But fine. Okay. Sure. And then the "but he's probably met Bucky before because he knows this was all happening" WHAT? How did he meet our timeline's Bucky if he was in another AU? Shut uuuuuup.
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the more they say the less sense the movies make
Haunt
Yeah, I mean, the Steve being on the bench thing hit me as not congruent with the movie's time logic, but I was willing to suspend belief (harder if you play him, but I don't so as just a viewer I was prepared for just being on the ride and not breaking it apart too much) but they really encourage that.
Squad Mom
No offense to Stucky shippers, but it was ship bait for them
Haunt
And it unravels pretty fast if you encourage people to start pulling strings.
Squad Mom
"He deserted Bucky!" "Did he really?"
Haunt
Also, I was amused at myself when I said a mouse saved the world in my original plurk about the movie, but I'm less amused when they say it.
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it seems like the directors should know it's a rat
Haunt
Especially because they didn't do anything to MAKE the rat happen. It pretty much needs to be that giving up his stone is what led them to this place that makes it all work otherwise there was no point in any of the actions? idk
Haunt
I mean, true.
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but apparently nowit's 'the rat is what it was'
Haunt
The ancient one trusting that she can give up her stone based on Strange giving up his stone and all so MAYBE a rat can happen. I guess by then a rat had happened.
Haunt
"Q: Why did you make Thor fat?

Russos: Thor suffered more loss than anyone else, he has been living in constant pain and regret."
Haunt
They make it sound like literally whoever in the room has suffered the most loss will gain weight.
Haunt
That it is the one and only thing that can come from THE MOST loss.
Haunt
That is not the REASON you did it.
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I mean yeah. Thor did lose EVERYTHING. And his whole family can't be returned to him. But he could just have been a hermit and have grown his beard and hair back. maybe he could have had Rapunzel hair by now. There are so many alternatives to show his suffering.
I mean him becoming a total recluse and stepford smiler would have sufficed
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There would have been even more instant braiding action! He could have used it as an electric whip or rope!
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It would have looked ridiculous!
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See! I just threw around ideas and still managed to come up with sth less offensive than the Russia immediately. It's not like it's hard!
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he could have become The Toughest Ruler Of All Asgard
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I also basically wrote episode one scene one of Falcon and Winter Soldier today without meaning to.
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It was in response to this that someone plurked:
Anthony Mackie Answers the Web's Most Searched Quest...
anthony make/sebstan's couch
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And that was me:
It sounds like he is friends with the couch more than SebStan
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Like. He legit just shows up there sometimes with "Whaddup. Came to see the couch!"
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And then he just snuggles up and Seb has to awkwardly sit in an arm chair and glance at Anthony and the couch longingly. We don't know who he longs for more.
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It works in character as well.
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It really works in my head! Just like Thorpunzel does too!
Haunt
I mean, honestly even if they chose having him gain weight they could have done it in some sort of more thoughtful way than just for laughs or pretending like that's just the norm. Like exploring the way someone who has been in peak form doesn't feel worthy of it or is trying to hide in a way or idk, something.
Haunt
I mean mostly I just don't trust them to explore it in a meaningful way but there might have been a way to do it. This wasn't it.
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I mean there were traces of him feeling unsure if he's worthy aka the Mjรถlnir thing
Haunt
Oh, yeah, I liked that aspect
Haunt
There were a couple of good aspects. He seemed generally ashamed of his inability to defeat Thanos sooner, but not of his body. And once he had his confidence back and wasn't drinking all the time he was still every bit as good a fighter as ever regardless of a little extra weight.
Haunt
But it was the butt of jokes from other characters and even worse than that the camera's POV would FOCUS on it at times for comic effect. And all that was gross.
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Exactly right!
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I can't get that cheez whiz line out of my head
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Cheez whiz?
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๐”‚๐“พ๐“ถ๐“ฒ : yeah, thor said "do you know what flows through my veins" when he was arguing to be the one to do tnhe snap
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and someone said "idk cheez whiz" or some such thing
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Ooooh. I didnt recognize the line bc I saw the German dub at the cinema.
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There were so many asides about his weight man!
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alas idk what it would be in the german dub!
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KรคsesoรŸe! Cheese sauce
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Just very generic
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I mean ok fine. But it just was too much
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I was honestly surprised nobody asked him when the baby's due bc he did look more pregnant than fat
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I mean I know some people only gain weight around the middle (my dad's a stick figure with a big tummy) but still!
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lets not give them ideas
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I would be way too down with Thor having a baby. I just wanna know who the other parent is
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I'm sure that's HAPPENED in mythology
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I would google, but I'm sure I'd just get mcu mpreg fic
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Which reminds me that I did appreciate Jane being mentioned and also appearing and Thor not being over her.
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was it real Natalie footage natalie or body double natalie
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Well usually Loki's mothering kids afaik but idek. (Mpreg fics aside of course)
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Well I guess a combo of the latter two
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Not mothering Thor's kids. That's not what I meant. Though I bet there are about a million fics containing exactly that
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A quick search on Google only mentions him having kids with ladies. Among them Sif.
I am still sad she didn't appear btw
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I always enjoyed her a lot
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I expect that was more to do with the actress' tv show
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Ok. Apparently. Loki mothered one of his kids. Sleipnir who was conceived by sleeping a with a stallion. Well. Whatever floats your boat man. Eight legs just don't seem very useful at all.
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Not like Zeus didn't go around turning into bulls and the like ...
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"In one brief yet intriguing passage in the Song of Hyndla, Loki is described as having found a half-cooked witchโ€™s heart in the embers of a dying fire and then eating it. By eating the heart of a witch, he became pregnant, thus obtaining one of the feminine mysteries. Loki gave birth to the first ogress, from which all other female ogres were descended. "
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Loki, don't go around eating things you find in random fires
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if they don't have that on loki's show, what are we even doing
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"In the ancient poem, Lokiโ€™s Quarrel, Odin revealed that Loki lived as a milkmaid for eight winters under the earth in the land of the dead. In any event, Loki gave birth to a brood of witches, one each winter."
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....a milkmaid in the land of the dead BUT WHY
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huh
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WHY NOT actually seems to be reason enough
resisting li
resisting li
Also yes
resisting li
I kind of hate them????
resisting li
Or at least I really hate the smug self-congratulatory personas they adopt while giving eight million bad answers to questions no one was asking
Hooded Figure
^^^^^
resisting li
<3
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