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(endgame spoilers) and that's all we have to say about THAT

edited 'cause I forgot to paste half of it
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I definitely maintain that if anyone would have the restraint to preserve the timeline, it'd be Steve. And if his passions for doing THE RIGHT THING ever threatened to overcome him (and they would, repeatedly), I think there is no one better than Peggy to tell him "NO." and preserve the timeline.
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Like, she ends up running Shield, and yet I think she is far less conniving than Fury?
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Fury would dig for the intel and use it, 100%
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someone on tumblr made a fairly compelling point that the reason Bucky was so chill about sending Sam over to talk to Old Man Steve (without stepping up to say anything himself) was because he HAD been rescued and had lived out a life with them and was cool with it all.
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(although how he wouldn't also be old, I do not know. SERUM NONSENSE presumably)
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TIMEY WIMEY STUFF
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I really think they would have let time run its course, as painful as it would be.
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See, I don't
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Because there is NO WAY IN ALL OF THE VARIOUS HELLS that Peggy would do ANYTHING to upset her chances of Steve coming to the moment where he can go back in time and be with her.
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but also the whole thing sounds badly thought out
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I'm with Guin, I think they're all noble enough idiots to sacrifice their happiness for the sake of taking Hydra out at the knees
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so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Oh well yeah. It was a feelgood thing with no thought for the timeline damage
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At the very base of it all, Thanos goes forward in time and dies there, and thus is never able to snap in the first place.
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they really are. Peggy, however, is a PRACTICAL enough noble idiot not to do it without a PLAN, ROGERS
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YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PLAN
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IT IS LITERALLY IN THE SONG
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That is the most central paradox of the movie. Steve and Peggy are ancillary compared to that.
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yeah, time travel is ????????? at the best of times
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The only way to justify it is to say that the movie just created quite a few different timelines
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Morgaine: [muffled screaming]
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And then you run into the cringeworthy moment when you realize that Bruce made pretty promises to the Ancient One, but there is absolutely a timeline where she's right and giving up the stone fucked her timeline
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YUP
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But hey, maybe that's the whole point, and Disney+ will have several different timeline shows
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There IS an animated What If...? marvel show on the books.
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Morgaine: this is how you get cosmic collapses dammit
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oh my god what a mental flustercuck
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The Marvel Comics Universe (not Cinematic): Oh we know.
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That was the plot of the Secret Wars a few years ago. All the multiverse got too crazy and started collapsing in on itself
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Morgaine: Vanye, hold my flower.
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Vanye: ...where did the flower come from...? but obediently holds
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(Morgaine is ridiculously OP but at least she knows it)
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(and has terrifying depressive episodes about it on the regular! god I love Cherryh)
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I mean, I thought it was a good ending, but apparently what do I know?
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not a value judgment, just commentary
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The thing is, the comics are so convukted that it couldn't possibly have encompassed everything just right.
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that's for dang sure
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I'm just so damn tired of people complaining about everything all the time.
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Which I'm not saying you're doing.
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yeah the context was nan running across people having REALLY WEIRD complaints about that plot point
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I just want to enjoy things without being accosted with all the reasons that I shouldn't.
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I can understand, that's all I've been seeing too.
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not just negative but nonsensical and weirdly mean
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Everyone's a critic, I guess.
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criticism has a place but at least be rational about it? instead of just snarling and flinging vitriol, jeez
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so yeah basically agree
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oh okay this does make a TON more sense now with the part about teeny steve!
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it was implied before, but now I Get It
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stuff doesn't have to make perfect logical sense to be emotionally satisfying, that's how narrative works
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AH
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I was not quick enough on the edit, I see!
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nah I'm just unobservant and also was RIGHT HERE when the post went up!
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(more specific context includes one person being REALLY VIOLENTLY ABLEIST about steve, among other WTFs)
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(like wow, if you didn't like it, please find a better reason than "steve should be dead because he's a dangerous suicidal maniac")
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(because that's gross)
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Yeah, that's nasty.
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write fic that retcons the thing you don't like and move on, folks
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