boodle boy
People are so upset about Marie Kondo and its bonkers
boodle boy
Obviously a lot of it is taking an oppotunity to write clickbait contorversy stirring think pieces
boodle boy
which i wont bother linking
boodle boy
But like...can u imagine being so upset by someone else's way of living
boodle boy
can u
boodle boy
imagine
departed 👻
wh... what is there to criticize about marie kondo
boodle boy
The sheer vitriol is jusy like, uncomfortable. (and honestly ocassionally drenched in a fine marinade of cultural insensitivity)
boodle boy
departed 👻 : the big thing is people decided that shes "anti book"
GAYVANGELION
right
GAYVANGELION
its so fucking wild
departed 👻
boodle boy
because she encourages not keeping books you dont like i guess
boodle boy
SHRUG
GAYVANGELION
and then there was that stupid buzzfeed article today
departed 👻
the weird sanctification of books in the actual physical sense has always bothered me anyway ngl, like hey, if you prefer reading physical books then more power to you that's not the issue
departed 👻
but i've def seen people criticize say, ebooks as KILLING SOMETHING SPECIAL
boodle boy
Also people have criticized her appearance (shes too clean), her personality (shes too nice), her philosophy (she hates books) and her methodology (shes unrealistic)
departed 👻
books take up space i don't have my dudes
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
??????????
boodle boy
departed 👻 : RIGHT and its like
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
like if you don't read or even LIKE the book, you should get rid of it.
boodle boy
u ever heard of a library?
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
like that's just common sense.
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
like you can even donate it.
boodle boy
the backlash is bananas and also isnt even what this poor womans book is ABOUT
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
what is wrong with that?
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
this woman is trying to keep us from hoarding, what is there to be mad about?
boodle boy
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮 : Yeah? i love physical books but im not keeping books i dont like or plan on reading
boodle boy
i move alot
boodle boy
books is heavy yo
departed 👻
consider that getting rid of books you don't care about also... gives you more room... for more books you DO care about
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
like I love audiobooks because they hold no space.
boodle boy
Theres something kind of shamey about telling people that if they get rid of books theyre small minded
🐅 its harry
god for real
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
please don't tell me these people don't count ebooks or audiobooks as 'real books' because IS2G.
departed 👻
also i'm way too adhd to just Sit Down And Read A Book and ebooks let me read on the computer while i also do other computer things
🐅 its harry
for sure minimalism & decluttering doesnt work for every person but like her approach to this stuff seems pretty reasonable ???
departed 👻
so i actually read more with ebooks! funny how that works
boodle boy
Not to mention the inherently western capitalist idea that in order to enjoy or love something you have to own it
departed 👻
^^^^^^ YEAH
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
I wish I could read long stuff online better, so I can get in on all the hot manga I miss because I can't read it unless it's in my hands.
boodle boy
🐅 its harry : yeah totally! and what people seem to miss is she has no like....limit on how much stuff you can have. just that you have stuff you actually need or truly want
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
strangely enough, I don't have that problem with western comics.
🐅 its harry
mmmm
🐅 its harry
like tbf
ɪᴄʜɪ ᴛʜᴇ ᴡɪᴛᴄʜ✨
Oh wow this is ridiculous. I never keep books I don’t like at all
boodle boy
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮 : lbr these are exactly the people who looks down their noses at ebooks or audio books
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
can write an essay on how capitalism pretty much prey on people that tend to have problems and hoarding.
🐅 its harry
for a lot of people just getting rid of something that they dont need right now but might need later in order to save space isnt an option
boodle boy
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO ONE HAS TO USE HER METHOD
🐅 its harry
but its absolutely worthwhile to like consider to what extent saying "well what if i need these three dozen pieces of wood" is like. legit,,
boodle boy
why are you so angry about.....something that is one hundred percent up to you whether its suitable for you.....
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
so people that encourage getting rid of things you don't use are like kinda going against the grain of it.
boodle boy
just....dont.....use her method.........
🐅 its harry
yeah,
boodle boy
scαrℓεт ωιтcн
she's also not super minimalist either! that's why I like her approach so much
scαrℓεт ωιтcн
and she doesn't shame people
frank elk
honestly one of my fav things about her book was pointing out that like, if you no longer own a book, someone else can read it!
departed 👻
i can't believe these people are ultimately getting het up over being asked to share
frank elk
you're not throwing them on a fire just letting it go on to another mind
departed 👻
like this is preschool
scαrℓεт ωιтcн
it's not like 'omg get rid of everything this is Bad and you are Bad for having so many books/Christmas stuff/whatever' just 'consider if this is something you want to make a part of your life going forward'
🐅 its harry
people are so fucking weird about books
Iggy
I’ve literally had to throw books away cuz I couldn’t take them to a thrift shop and I didn’t have space for them like people Need To Chill with the sanctity of books
boodle boy
Like, i personally found her book helpful because i am someone who like...ascribes needless emotional tags or personality to objects and its hard for me ro get rid of them. ..her method is good for people who want to or are in a position to get rid of things with an emotional angle
boodle boy
(many other orsgnization methods are very scorched earth and hard for people who arent type a already)
boodle boy
yeah like....she never gives people a quota or second guesses their choices on what to keep
boodle boy
She's very gentle about it
Iggy
I haven’t read her book but I’ve looked into her method and I really do like thanking the object before you get rid of it big
boodle boy
yeah thats really nice i think
Iggy
Like pick up this object, if it doesn’t give you joy, thank it for what it’s done and set it aside is such a kind way of cleaning out your belongings
🐅 its harry
yeah. i think that would def help me
departed 👻
question are all these kondo critical articles written by dudes bc it strikes me that her method has a lot of feminine-associated philosophy if that makes sense
boodle boy
Like, i LOVE physical books, but jesus. theyre just paper. your moral character is not defined by how you deal with a clump of paper stapled together
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
it's the grown up equivalent of boys mad because their mom told them to clean their room.
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
hell, not even telling. suggesting
Iggy
Marie Kondo is a sweet and gentle person and I would literally fight for her
boodle boy
departed 👻 : ive mostly seen middle aged white women
departed 👻
oh nvm in that case
Iggy
High key it’s also probably a racist and internalized misogyny and like whatever makes things from Asian countries swing from Exotic to Bad
Iggy
Cuz it was middle aged white Women who were going nuts for her initially too
Iggy
At least that’s who I vividly remember selling a whole bunch of copies of her book to
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
w o w
boodle boy
yeah theres definitely been some uncomfortable like, maybe indavertant but still these racial insensitivity
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
imagine how these people would feel about swedish death cleaning.
boodle boy
especially given how much a lot of her method is very naturally derived from very japanese things
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
which isn't cleaning stuff to swedish death metal. I know, I was kinda disappointed too.
departed 👻
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮 : i actually have no idea what it is but the name is fantastic
boodle boy
Like the one really vitriolic hater who wrote a big article criticizing her, like, talked about how silly her greeting the house thing was and like....it just felt like a weird, besides the point thing to arrack?
boodle boy
and feels kind of ignorant of the like, cultural association with animism in Japanese religion. (not that she's doing it as a religious thing, but there's a fairly logical cultural root to it)
boodle boy
you dont have to DO IT IF ITS NOT FOR YOU
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
I know right, but this is what it's about:
What Is Swedish Death Cleaning? - Döstädning
boodle boy
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮 : omg ive never heard of this but its in incredibly named
departed 👻
oh no the context just makes it bittersweet (in a good way)
departed 👻
not the kind of death cleaning i was imagining
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
it's morbid, but it makes total sense.
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
I've seen people stressed out and breaking down over loved ones stuff.
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
So this helps for it to not happen.
departed 👻
oh yeah it definitely seems like a useful thing to keep in mind
departed 👻
i was just coming in here like IS IT LIKE METAPHORICALLY TAKING AN AXE TO YOUR STUFF
departed 👻
no it is not
boodle boy
LMAO yeah
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
you can still play swedish death metal over the cleaning, I mean there isn't a rule for that.
boodle boy
ideal
❝marti❞
I wrote a twitter thread about this!
❝marti❞
Basically, my point was that "sparks joy" is too easy a concept for a hoarder to massage or make meaningless because they have emotional attachments to everything they own
Ptriciadactyl
I was watching Tidying Up on netflix and she's so cute and charming and encourages people to consider what they really value and enjoy when deciding what to keep. She never tells anyone, "this is your book quota" or "you need to get rid of that dress that doesn't fit"
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
I have literally hundreds of books, probably a couple thousand, I moved some absurd number of boxes (like... 60?) from FL to OH
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
Ebooks are great. You don’t need hard copies of most of what you’re reading.
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
Like, great if you want to accumulate them, but as someone with a big Book Problem that having a Kindle actually managed to solve... stop fetishizing books as objects, people!
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
I like Marie Kondo and while I do think the KonMari method can be really problematic for people who personify objects and attribute emotions to them, that’s not a majority of people
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
And people leveraging this criticism at her don’t really understand decluttering or tidying or organizing in general, IMO.
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
(I’ve gotten rid of a lot of books and I need to get rid of... so many more. Seriously, save stuff that’s meaningful to you, but... use the library and don’t hang on to everything.)
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
if it helps stop capitalism preying on people with actual problems with money and hoarding stuff, the better.
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
because... they totally encourage that.
rädiänt
God
rädiänt
I don't give a fuck if it doesn't work for you don't shit on the person who developed a completely nonoffensive method just because it doesn't apply to you
rädiänt
That's my whole take on it
rädiänt
I'm a weird garbage hoarder who has trouble finding things that DONT spark joy with me but that's a me problem not a kondo problem
rädiänt
If anyone takes serious offense from her they need to deeply examine where that's coming from
boodle boy
RIGHT.
🐅 its harry
in fairness i feel like when this kind of thing comes round it does initially always fget presented as like tHIS IS IT!!! THE THING THAT WILL FIX YOUR LIFE
🐅 its harry
because that is how people writing about it get clicks
rädiänt
Yeah it's presented like that which is also Bad
rädiänt
SOUP OFF 18 kilos with PALEO SOUPS
rädiänt
fuck OFF
🐅 its harry
mMmm
🐅 its harry
yeah
🐅 its harry
and this kind of "well it DIDNT WORK FOR ME" is really more about that than the thing itself
🐅 its harry
but frankly theres no excuse for the book pearlclutching
🐅 its harry
bookclutching ? pageclutching,
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
Seriously. it's just an approach that works for some people.
𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖕𝖊𝖗!
if it doesn't work for you, nobody is making you find an approach that does (probably nobody is, anyway), and if you still want or need an approach that does, you can try something else.
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
again it's like being angry an your mom for suggesting you clean your room
💋𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓶𝓯𝓸𝓻𝓶𝓮
*at
boodle boy
pageclutching is an excellent term for it
shrimp heaven
tragically 90% of the backlash i've seen boils down to "how dare this asian woman tell me what to do this is not being properly submissive"
shrimp heaven
so. y'know.
ᴍᴏʙ.
For me a lot of the people I’ve seen have just only heard what others are saying about her show and haven’t watched it or read anything by her so they’re just like
ᴍᴏʙ.
Oh??? So if my MEDICINE doesn’t spark joy I should throw it away? I should throw away my TAXES? Because they don’t spark joy! Lol!!! Stupid!
ᴍᴏʙ.
When it’s like hmmm that’s not really what it’s about but cool
boodle boy
yeah a lot of the sense i get is people making negative comments without understanding her work at all? or bothering to look it up??
boodle boy
I MEAN the book thing started with someone being like "books arent meant to make you happy they also challenge you!"
boodle boy
which has....exactly....nothing to do with what she was saying
ᴍᴏʙ.
ive never watched her show but i ASSUME this ignorant woman literally wants to throw everything in the garbage that doesnt make me twitter with delight no matter its use
shrimp heaven
man it's so frustrating bc like. her method isn't for me. it's really not (i'm more of an ufyh kind of person). but i've watched the show and enjoyed it because she's so warm and so gentle and so genuinely kind
shrimp heaven
people who shout about how awful she is are just salty nonsense
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