Debunking the AIDS Denialist Movie House of Numbers ...
this is a very good video so far (disease, death, and Myles has a somewhat flippant take on some things)
papermint tiger
papermint tiger
feel free to discuss/share/whatever
tronja307020
...There are AIDS denialists?!?
papermint tiger
oh yes
papermint tiger
i mean the video lays it out, it's pretty clear to me that it's a lot of people desperate to believe they're not sick
papermint tiger
but that gets pretty dangerous when they turn around and convince other people they they are also not sick
tronja307020
You ever get the feeling sometimes that...humans are slowly self-correcting over population through sheer stupidity...?
papermint tiger
...yeah that's kind of been my belief for a while. Nature will get us one way or another
tronja307020
It's just kind of nuts that it's happening that way. 'cause like...why so much stupid at one time? It's mind-boggling.
papermint tiger
there is so much stupid happening right now /looks at all the snake oil sellers i've been diving into learning about lately
tronja307020
Seriously, and they can't even be like...reasonable "snake oil" salesmen, pushing herbal infusions and things, 'cause that stuff at least has some legitimate benefit. No, it's like...crystals and massive amounts of b-vitamins and salt water. Things that could kill you, or at best give you no benefits whatsoever.
tronja307020
At least growing my mint plants so I can nibble their leaves for indigestion and upset stomachs has a proven basis in scientific reality.
papermint tiger
try turpentine. Bleach. really dangerous shit
papermint tiger
at least crystals aren't likely to kill you
tronja307020
papermint tiger
they try to claim that it's totally natural and it won't hurt you because it's all from plants and stuff (totally untrue in the case of freaking Bleach but turpentine is technically derived from pine trees)
papermint tiger
my reply to that is 'have you heard of the poison apple tree'
papermint tiger
Manchineel - Wikipedia
papermint tiger
or this fucking thing from Australia 
Gympie Gympie: Once stung, never forgotten
papermint tiger
i think the thing that baffles me the most about the people who refuse to believe the generally accepted reality the rest of us live in is the lengths they go to to say 'oh that thing, that research or study or proof you've got there? that doesn't count'
tronja307020
Fuuuuck, these people are psychopaths! /watching the documentary/
papermint tiger
it's really upsetting yeah
tronja307020
Part of it, too, is just...What are they getting out of this??? Most of the time, these people are peddling a snake oil of some sort, but these people just look like they want to say "fuck the police!"
papermint tiger
yeah i don't. I don't know. There was a theory posited in Myles' video about the 9/11 deniers where he said something along the lines of
papermint tiger
'it's such a big thing and so terrifying to think that life is just a series of random events people like these deniers have to make up a theory to give themselves a sense of control'
papermint tiger
paraphrasing that heavily
papermint tiger
but you get the point, it's about control to these people, and it's just sick how they use that to convince vulnerable people to come off their meds
tronja307020
Yeah, I've heard that theory before. Where people can't believe that sometimes life is just chaos, they can't be so out of control of the world around them that they have to try and concoct theories that give them some agency in these horrible things.
tronja307020
Some of them are just...idk. Scared and confused and in over their heads? And grasping onto whatever seems easiest. But some of them are definitely doing it for...very not good reasons.
tronja307020
The end of that video had me in tears. ;_;
papermint tiger
yeah, i couldn't say why these guys do it without asking... and yeah. Yeah, it's a really really hard topic adn i'm so glad Myles thought it worthy of being covered
tronja307020
Yeah, and I doubt they would tell you the truth even if you did. :/ It really is. It's good that we have people talking about it so that maybe their shit can be exposed.
papermint tiger
oh definitely not. They'd claim that it's not real and i've been lied to and they're just trying to tell the truth
papermint tiger
and agreed
Exacerangutan
IDK if people are stupider so much as that broad, open, quasi-anonymous communication helps people to be their stupidest selves and find other people who want to be stupid in the same ways
papermint tiger
stupid/so desperate to believe this shit they buy into it with only a tiny bit of persuasion and then it's like they're in a cult and they can't leave
papermint tiger
because leaving means they've got to admit they were wrong