Shard
/ Just reading Quora and came across a question asking for somebody to explain the D&D alignments using Marvel characters.
Shard
Fine, fine.
Shard
Except...
Shard
Lawful good. Captain America exemplifies lawful good: order and the rule of law are the best way to spread justice and morality.
Shard
Chaotic good. Iron Man is the best representative of chaotic good: does the right thing, but won’t sacrifice his independence.
Shard
...
Shard
And I'm sitting here going, "Did y'all even watch or read Civil War?"
Shard
Or any of a lot of other things?
Shard
Stark not being willing to give the Iron Man suit to the US government isn't the same thing, guys.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
actually I'd say it works.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
because Tony was willing to sign but when it came to actually abiding or obeying, he broke both the rules and 'his word' immediately
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
whereas Steve won't sacrifice his personal ethics/beliefs/code/his word even if he will violate 'laws' he doesn't believe are just.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
lawful can refer to abiding by one's own creed as well as the more traditional laws
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
it's less about who doesn't have a parking ticket and more about who'll follow general guidelines and act in predictable 'regular' ways
Shard
That's more Lawful Neutral, though
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
hence chaos being the alternate
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Nope, Neutral Goodis more Clark
Shard
(They used Wong for Lawful Neutral.)
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Clark does not believe in killing, it is against his personal creed.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
He also however knows that his power gives him responsibilities above his own personal creed, so he will (such as with Zod) when he is the only person who can do so
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
he will break his own code in cases where he deems that 'law', that 'rule' to be less important than the general 'good'
Shard
I guess I just consider the reasoning suss. Steve's not actually that much about law and order, more about right and wrong.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but he has very firm ideas about right and wrong and abides by them
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
he doesn't violate his own ethics. the old 'you stand and don't move' speech is PRIME Lawful Good
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
whereas someone like Clark will violate his own ethics for the greater Good (Neutral Good) and someone like Tony has a more fluid idea of what's good or bad
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Steve doesn't believe in fascism from 1940s to now. Whereas Tony initially made peacekeeping robots personally designed and programmed by him (one good) and then wanted to sign away his freedom to act in another (another good) and then decided he was going to do something else (ANOTHER good)
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
law as logic/rules vs law as authority
Alena
I’ve heard conflicting definitions of lawful good but I from what I’ve heard i also go with lawful neutral for Cap. I mean there’s Nomad.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I'm not saying it's the metric you have to use, but I get the metric
Alena
But I’ve never heard a solid definition that made sense to me
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
also corrected (Neutral Good is clark)
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Lawful neutral is something closer to Dexter, someone who follows rules regardless of actual good or evil
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Dexter does X when someone does Y. Are there circumstances? Yes? Doesn't matter, X when Y
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
The IRS is Lawful Neutral. Death is (supposed to be) Lawful Neutral in Discworld and his fun comes about when he edges towards more like Neutral Good (Hogfather) or True Neutral (Mort)
Shard
The rubric can shift around, admittedly. And it's not meant to be hard and fast because that makes it difficult for player to play sometimes.
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Lawful Neutral is the magistrate who helps the adventerers even though he doesn't like them because the sheriff didn't fill out the right form
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
but yeah, I mean, it's an RP metric
Platinum
I'd say that, of Marvel's Big Three, Thor's Chaotic Good while Cap and Tony are Law Good.
Platinum
The first Civil War event was just what happened when the personal codes of two Law Goods clash.
Platinum
We know that Steve wouldn't have minded registration if all the names were accessible only to someone he could trust, like himself.
La Comtesse
(as opposed to, say, Norman "Why Does Anyone Ever Trust This Guy" Osborn)
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
I do think you have to divorce if you're talking about MCU CW and ACTUAL CW
FʀɪᴇɴᴅIɴYᴇʟʟᴏᴡ
Actual CW is more LawGoods. MCU... I would disagree.