http://martial-quill.tumblr.com/post/180540183894/da... Yes
beachcryptid
http://martial-quill.tumblr.com/post/180540183894/da... Yes
http://martial-quill.tumblr.com/post/180540183894/da... Yes
ɪᴄᴋʏ ✯
omg this
ɪᴄᴋʏ ✯
like ok. one of the most telling moments imo in the silm anyway that Tolkien writes about war from a place of having lived it
CricketMomJenn
Yes this
ɪᴄᴋʏ ✯
is maedhros begging to die
ɪᴄᴋʏ ✯
there is nOTHING. beautiful. about it
beachcryptid
yep
Ryl
Agreed!
Ryl
Also Frodo looking at the fallen Southron soldier and wondering if he’d even wanted to be there
Ryl
But Maedhros begging to die after having called for help when his uncle arrived and no one could hear him over the noise of the battle
Ryl
It’s heartbreaking, not beautiful
ɪᴄᴋʏ ✯
Ryl
Don’t add my Credence feels to the mix!!!!
Ryl
ɪᴄᴋʏ ✯
i Shall
Ryl
Blast!
Ryl
I already have Oliver Twist feels and I keep getting more piled on
ʝєss
Thiiiis
ʝєss
Also suddenly explains why I quit reading ASOIAF
beachcryptid
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
absolutely all of that
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
I've never picked up ASOIAF because it just feels....lacking, from all I've heard
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
there's war all over in LOTR but the true strength, in every case, is not from big burly fighter guys
beachcryptid
I watched one episode and I just...it doesn't do anything for me
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
to their list I would add that Faramir's main badass warrior stuff is fighting a retreat
beachcryptid
I watch/read to escape not to get even more depressed
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
I read the first book once. didn't really grab me.
beachcryptid
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
: YES
beachcryptid
also it's why I get so upset when ppl imply that Eowyn is somehow less by taking up healing
beachcryptid
(on a purely personal level, it's kinda insulting like do you know how hard this job is a healer is still a warrior we're fighting death and pain)
Ghoulfish
/finally reads and omfg THIS
beachcryptid
but also no, she's gone to war and realised it's not glorious
Ghoulfish
I mean, I enjoy GoT XD But Tolkien is where my heart lies
beachcryptid
Ghoulfish
: RIGHT?
Ghoulfish
I mean even Galadriel, who left Aman to rule in Middle-Earth decided no...I'm good just protecting this place and not be queen, and settles more on healing when not using power instead of blade XD
Ghoulfish
Then there's Elrond
Ghoulfish
JUST SAYING
beachcryptid
YEP
236 bees
lol honestly i tried to watch got
236 bees
i tried real hard
236 bees
like two seasons plus tried hard
236 bees
there were a few plots i was mildly interested in but i literally slogged through so many episodes and then like
236 bees
literally i stopped halfway through an episode and just was like 'okay i'm done' just because i was so bored
236 bees
I REALLY TRIED because i know it's wildly popular but i was so bored
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
oh don't even get me started on Éowyn and healing seriously don't you already know my thoughts also healers are BADASS PEOPLE WHO FIGHT DEATH ITSELF
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
any idiot can poke something with the sharp end of a sword. fixing it afterwards? that takes seriously balls
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
and I'm not at all biased for being in first aid RIGHT NOW looking at pictures of injuries and videos of cardiac arrest, nope
CricketMomJenn
It seems not enough reason to care about GoT
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
honestly GoT just sounds to me like endless people stabbing each other in the back, and even if they do it in subtle and interesting and unexpected ways I just....want more from a story.
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
I don't need multiple thousand word novels to teach me that everyone backstabbing leaves everyone dead.
ʝєss
I watched through season four I think? Only read the books to halfway through 3. It’s like...what could be a good story, except as the op says, grrm totally misses the point
ʝєss
It feels like the fantasy version of Family Guy: how far can we push the envelope in terms of shock value
ʝєss
Sorry, a thousand people being raped or killed in gory (or worse, biophysically inaccurate) ways does not actually hide the fact that the story writing sucks
236 bees
pff hahaha
236 bees
and see for me a part of why I just couldn't is every episode is a waiting game until a character is killed so I didn't get attached to any of them
236 bees
it's very hard to have the plot carry you when you don't care about any characters
ʝєss
That too. There were characters remaining I liked, but the more it went on, the more I felt the writers were grossly overestimating my investment in any given person
236 bees
p much
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
this whole conversation is so satisfying and I love you all
CricketMomJenn
I feel so much better about not having bothered ffugbjgf
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
me too!!
beachcryptid
236 bees
honestly the only reason I even watched it let alone so much is like
236 bees
whenever something is some kind of huge cultural phenomenon I'm always like "well millions of people have to like this for a reason right?" so I give it a try or two
236 bees
so even if I don't like it immediately I stick with it for a bit to try and see if I can see what so many like
236 bees
but honestly I don't see it with got
236 bees
the plot was kinda interesting, when it was actually, you know, referenced
236 bees
but most of the show is just lots of awful people murder each other
delatour
...i have to say, this is an immensely awkward threat to watch, because I love ASOIAF and I don't find it grimdark at all
236 bees
lol fair enough? like I said I'm sure that lots of people see something I just am not one of em
236 bees
though it amazes me you don't see it as grimdark
ʝєss
I admit, I might someday go back to it, but I just don’t find it as fulfilling as Tolkien
delatour
I see it as more existential, if anything.
ʝєss
Of course, GRRM just about lost me in book one chapter three when the guy beheaded a horse and it screamed as it died
delatour
The books, at least. Not the show, the show had problems even before the writing went down hill
ʝєss
Bro, please google where the larynx is in a horse, hint, if beheaded it won’t be screaming
beachcryptid
lol jess
delatour
That book is from 1996, tbf
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
how can anything be screaming if it's beheaded? What is it screaming with?
beachcryptid
delatour
: I like the charas I interact with in RP and therein lies my problem like... they all die
ʝєss
He could have picked up an anatomy book XD
delatour
But they don't? Martin's seriously overrated as a character killer. Of principles so far, it's been Ned, Robb, and Catelyn. And Joffrey and Tywin for the bad guys
ʝєss
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
: EXACTLY
ʝєss
FTR I’m not gonna judge anyone who likes it, hell, my mom loves it. The op just articulates well why it doesn’t work for me.
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
seriously that doesn't require significant anatomy knowledge? Making sound with vocal chords requires breath requires attached lungs
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
Oh yeah, all my family love it too.
ʝєss
...in addition to all the “that’s...not how bodies work” stuff
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
I just want to give people Mistborn instead.
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
"You want an awesome dark story? This is an awesome dark story."
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
Oh god, the Mistborn trilogy, single best ending of ANY fantasy series I've ever read including Tolkien. I love it so damn much.
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
I have to love a series that starts with the premise "There is a prophecy about the Hero who will defeat the Evil Bad Guy. The Hero fails. A thousand years later the Evil Bad Guy is still in charge and everything sucks. Go." and then goes nowhere you expect from there.
𝔞𝔰𝔥 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔫
.......pardon me Brandon Sanderson makes me tangent.
beachcryptid
lol
beachcryptid
delatour
: lol ok they seem to all die or be horribly brutalised with no good ending in sight. IDK it just doesn't work for me altho I enjoy the charas I see
delatour
i know, i know. sorry for jumping down anyone's throat
beachcryptid
delatour
: perhaps the books are better? /hugs
beachcryptid
I only tried the show
beachcryptid
don't be sorry! it's ok to like what you like!
delatour
I have a hard time watching the show these days. It's very 'so you see, lone star, evil always triumphs because good is dumb'
beachcryptid
y-yeah that was rather my impression
delatour
the books- martin definitely has his problems, but they are not and never have been that
beachcryptid
I suppose I will give the books a go. I just got so put off by the show...
delatour
On Fantasy - George R.R. Martin
delatour
this is martin on fantasy. he's a good boy and a believer and he's not out to crush people, really i swear
236 bees
delatour
- I mean I hear you but. 5 main characters is still a lot of mains to kill
delatour
Not in over 5000 pages!
236 bees
and that's not counting who knows how many side characters who in the normal course of things I often end up very attached to?
236 bees
I mean I personally would still say that's a lot of mains to kill
236 bees
main characters do not usually die
236 bees
and I get that he's out to change that and raise the stakes and, like tea, I've never tried the books, but like. the whole "anyone can die and many do" did not raise the stakes it made me not care about people in the first place
236 bees
and that's not the case for everyone and that's fine? but the "e'rybody gon die up in here" does not make me worry for my favs but just not get favs in the first place
ʝєss
delatour
: /hugs your opinion is just as valid no need to apologize! <3