Master Chieve
[OCs] Gather 'round children it is time for Eric to kick the Commodified Suffering Of Magical Girls Being Sold To Gross Otakus So They Can Jerk Off To It in the dick
Master Chieve
I've tried to kick a lot of other gross anime trope in the dick, with a modicum of success I like to think
Princess Emily
gathers
Quinn Angstrom
gathered
Master Chieve
A minute while I compose my thoughts
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
smashes through multiple walls and doors to get here
Master Chieve
So the setting is modern day Earth unless I change my mind at some point in this
Master Chieve
There is a secret war going on between those who have been granted magical powers by...some kind of force
Master Chieve
This is a brainstorming plurk
Master Chieve
--And an army of monsters crawling from the dark places of the Earth to suck the life energy out of people and places
Master Chieve
So basically magical girl shit
Master Chieve
Though I'm not segregating this to one gender you can make magical boys or magical nonbinary individuals if you like
Master Chieve
The boys TEND to have a more kinda kamen rider aesthetic but that is ENTIRELY because of toxic masculinity and shit
Master Chieve
Your powers are based on what you believe they should look like
Quinn Angstrom
powerset shaped by personality?
Quinn Angstrom
all right
Master Chieve
So the source of all this magic is super fuckin' mysterious
Master Chieve
to all these poor children who have to fight on the front lines of this war
Master Chieve
Because they are very deliberately kept in the dark
Master Chieve
When you turn 18, you are asked to give up your magic so that the next generation of magical children can continue to fight the good fight
Master Chieve
It'd be a shame to use up all the magic yourself because you were greedy, right?
Master Chieve
Turns out what is ACTUALLY going on is that there is a society of absurdly powerful magic users who know that magic is a renewable resource and that you can't use it up. If anything it's getting stronger as time passes
Master Chieve
But by asking a bunch of dumb kids to give their magic up, they have a steady income to increase their own power
Master Chieve
Also they never actually have to face monsters
Master Chieve
They send out familiars who look like cute bunnies and shit to children who look like they're ABOUT to gain magic that try and convince them that the familiar is the SOURCE of the magic
Master Chieve
When really it just comes from inside
Master Chieve
The MONSTERS are also getting more powerful, though
Le Comtesse
brb shooting ancient mages in the face with my enchanted railgun
Master Chieve
I think they exist throughout the universe and are being drawn to Earth by the enormous power signatures of these absurdly powerful mages that have been eating the magic of children for decades to maintain their power and extend their lives
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
CELTIC SYMPHONIC METAL ❀ THE WITCHING HOUR ❀ Rachel ...
im just here for this w a madoka-inspired song that attacks the whole thought process behind the show and stories like it
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
like, has no time for it
❆𝒮𝒽𝑜𝓌 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒𝓁𝒻
oh this is an interesting set-up
Master Chieve
The ruling mages know about this and their response has been "LISTEN"
Master Chieve
"DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT"
Master Chieve
"WE'RE NOT THE ONES WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT"
Master Chieve
"WE CAN KEEP THIS UP FOR WHAT, MAYBE ANOTHER DECADE OR TWO BEFORE WE'LL NEED TO THINK OF A NEW PLAN"
Master Chieve
"SO WHO CARES?"
Vehrec
"MAYBE WE CAN TELL PEOPLE TO GIVE UP THEIR POWERS AT 21, THAT'S GOOD, RIGHT?"
Master Chieve
No no no
Master Chieve
you don't let them get older
Master Chieve
You start them younger
Vehrec
HOT DAMN now you are talking
Quinn Angstrom
offhand character concept - girl, age nearly 18, has gone through some serious shit and has the emotional and/or physical scars to show for it
Quinn Angstrom
who resists the truth because she really, really wants to keep believing that it was for a good cause
Master Chieve
I think most of the characters are gonna be close to 18
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
immediate character concept: sweet, typical magical girl-y protagonist sort of girl, close to 18, determined to do as much good as she can in the time she has left. has Seen Some Shit but still believes in the system she's taking part in. i'm thinking she's a descendent of a really long line of mahous, and she's the latest one to get her powers
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
maybe some rich/influential family, one of their patriarchs is probably one of the ancient mages and is purposely keeping this bloodline going so he can keep feeling off it
Master Chieve
I dig it
Master Chieve
So basically you have a whole world of secret mages
Master Chieve
Who have all bought into this system of farming power from the young
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
doesn't know the truth of the system and reacts to finding out not by breaking but by deciding she's going to tear it to shreds with her bare hands and build something better that actually benefits people
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
probably also has a younger sibling who is next on the chopping block
Master Chieve
Hmmm
Master Chieve
It doesn't really make sense for their to be mages who aren't super young or super old in this setting
Quinn Angstrom
so here's a question
Master Chieve
Except maybe a very rare apprentice to one of the ruling elite
Quinn Angstrom
do people know that there are elder magi
Master Chieve
I think they do, but they don't know they're human
Master Chieve
THey htink they're like
Master Chieve
Distant gods of hope who granted you your magic in the first place
moontouched
i cant think of any good human concepts that i like rn but idk if rebellious familiar makes sense
Master Chieve
We are early enough in the design process that that can be MADE to work
Quinn Angstrom
I think Claire's character and mine are like, they have similar situations but different outlooks on it which could be interesting
Quinn Angstrom
like "This was p. tough but I want to do as much good as I can in the time I have" VS "Everything about this is shit so it's a GOOD FUCKING THING that it was absolutely necessary or I suffered for no reason"
Quinn Angstrom
or something
Master Chieve
one moment
Master Chieve
Okay my concept is the particularly gifted young mage who got a little ruthless toward the end of their career\
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
i think my girl is probably also very fond/protective of younger kids - i'm thinking maybe her family's line of mahous is famous and the name they use has been passed down from generation to generation#
Master Chieve
And one the elder magi was like "Oh I like this one"
Master Chieve
"I will take them on as my apprentice"
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
so she spends some time being a Celebrity Mahou and inspiring other young mages to do their best!!!
Master Chieve
So they were whisked away instead of being asked to give up their power
Master Chieve
And told the truth, and offered a chance to live forever
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
so when she finds out she's been taken advantage of and that she's been encouraging children to fight and believe in a system that exploits and harms them she's ready to burn the whole thing to the fucking ground
Master Chieve
And they respond with "WHAT THE FUCK!?"
Master Chieve
"NO" runs
Quinn Angstrom
"You should do some celebrity stuff to inspire the younger kids too!" "It is fucked up that we're celebrating this"
Master Chieve
So then everyone's familiars suddenly warn them about a renegade mage
Master Chieve
While this 18 year old kid runs around trying to convince people of the truth
Quinn Angstrom
like she went through enough Magical Anime Suffering that she hates the whole system but doesn't think there's an alternative so she's just kind of. resigned?
Master Chieve
And starts gathering up all these other mahous
Quinn Angstrom
the world sucks because we have no choice but to keep doing this
Quinn Angstrom
"actually we don't" "excuse me what"
moontouched
yeah i might just stick to the vague idea of "familiar who rebelled and is now being hunted and treated the same as the monsters basically because they're now a risk"
Master Chieve
Maybe your character is my character's familiar and they're in it together
moontouched
yeah i could see that
Master Chieve
Mine runs and yours is like "Hnnnnng My master is mad but I really like this kid"
Master Chieve
"Fuck it I'm out WAIT FOR ME"
moontouched
they were supposed to shut yours down but helped them escape instead
Master Chieve
yea
Master Chieve
Okay so we've got the bare bones of a plot here
Master Chieve
Now we have to clothe it with some AESTHETIC
Master Chieve
Mages, as established, determine their powers based on what they believe powers should be like
Master Chieve
So some are like Precure pretty dresses and super punches
Master Chieve
Some are straight up super heroes
Master Chieve
Kamen riders, Sailor Scouts, all those aesthetics appear in different places
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
i saved this a little while ago for a tabletop pb but i might use it for this
moontouched
familiars probably draw their power from the elder magi that made them
Echo
A thought copy-pasted from Prof's plurk: the whole 'talking animal familiar' thing, could maybe do something with the trope of the cute magical mascot actually being a more powerful person/creature stuck in a smaller, weaker form for Plot Reasons.
Echo
I'm thinking that maybe all the talking animal sidekicks are actually people who signed up with the magical elite for a term of basically indentured servitude while transformed into a nonhuman form in exchange for access to power or resources they would otherwise never have.
Echo
Essentially a metaphor for the way the military preys on low-income and minority communities, with a bit of old-style Fair Folk myths thrown in.
moontouched
oh well thats awkward
Master Chieve
Oh so then maybe that's the deal my character got offered
Master Chieve
hmm
moontouched
it kinda shoots the direction i was going to go with my character in the foot but oh well
Quinn Angstrom
considering my character's apparent role in the story at the start (jaded experienced magical girl with tragic past), I have a clear path for identifying appropriate PBs
Vehrec
on the other hand, it makes them complicit in decieving tons of people
Quinn Angstrom
where's that pile again
Echo
Also gonna copy-paste my character concept and ask what you think of it, one moment.
moontouched
ehh maybe ill come back to this later and make another concept
Master Chieve
We gotta figure out what exactly the familiars are, yeah
moontouched
id rather they not all be transformed indentured people
Master Chieve
I'm not wild about that either tbh
Echo
(Also, they might not be complicit in the sense of knowingly setting out to do that? More of a 'I signed up for something I knew was potentially a little shady but I had no idea it was this bad, holy shit, I'm out' thing.)
Echo
Yeah, no, fair it doesn't have to be a thing.
Echo
It was just a vague idea.
Master Chieve
I think they're just like
Master Chieve
grown in jars
Master Chieve
those big glass cloning tubes
Master Chieve
You know what I'm talking about
Master Chieve
Recycled when they start showing signs of too much initiative and independent thought
Master Chieve
They have to STICK TO THE SCRIPT
Vehrec
Splitting the difference between totally fake puppets and complex characters with their own motivation for taking this on eh?
moontouched
good ol clonetubes
Awe
Oh i like this
Echo
Ooh, this works.
Echo
So, rough concept I was thinking of: black market type dealer with lesser magical artifacts selling them outside the system.
Echo
Largely amoral, but she will sell to those who aren't part of the established order if they can buy, so she's one of their best chances at breaking this whole thing open, so she sort of ends up being a good guy by default.
Echo
I'm thinking something in the Han-Solo-archetype 'career criminal reluctantly discovers their few remaining moral standards by virtue of becoming fond of the protagonists and is dragged into the good fight despite their protests' vein.
Master Chieve
There probably is, like
Quinn Angstrom
Instead of returning her powers at 18, went off the grid?
Master Chieve
a fringe black market
Echo
Basically yeah,
Master Chieve
As long as they don't rock the boat the Elder Magi will permit them to survive
moontouched
"u can be illegal as long as ur not a snitch"
Master Chieve
I need an aesthetic for the monsters
Master Chieve
They're basically like
Master Chieve
aliens
Echo
I just like the scruffy, cranky, wheeling-and-dealing conman anti-hero archetype and I want more ladies that fit that, honestly.
Quinn Angstrom
since we're shuffling around the edges of the madoka/yuki yuna narrative space, something Fucking Weird seems apropos
moontouched
also do familiars have
1) innate magic like mahous
2) magic linked to an elder magi so they serve as a 'remote link eyes and ears' thing
3) idk something else
Master Chieve
Good questions
Quinn Angstrom
https://i.imgur.com/DjLFKE4.png https://i.imgur.com/MI6gYNh.png https://i.imgur.com/Xej7SHN.jpg top PB options from initial search
Master Chieve
1) I think they have their own supply of magic, but it's limited
Echo
She's probably into an even mix of 'stuff that the elder magi publicly disapprove of but privately couldn't give a shit about because it doesn't do jack shit to the status quo' and 'stuff the magi would probably be pretty pissed about, but it's not like they really need to find out about it, right?'
Vehrec
2) but the first thing the rogues do is jailbreak theirs to re-link them to themselves :-P
Master Chieve
So they need a proper mage to recharge the batteries
Master Chieve
Normally this is done by the Elder Magi between missions
Master Chieve
2) What Vehrec said
moontouched
i was imagining like "elder magi would definitely be scumbaggy enough to have magical killswitches on their cutesy animal familiars"
Echo
(Might be a good plot hook if one of her 'more illegal than they'll tolerate' schemes blows up in her face and she's gotta get out of town in a hurry, it'd explain why she's taking a risk on helping the more heroic types if she's already gotten herself in deep shit.)
moontouched
if a mage gets too close to discovering something inconvenient WHOOPS THEY GOT KILLED BY A MONSTER HOW INCONVENIENT
moontouched
I MEAN SAD
Vehrec
My concept is...what if someone who's already given up her powers hears about this and decides she wants her power back?
moontouched
also the 'monster' was a killswitched familiar but Nobody Knows The Difference
moontouched
Not Suspicious At All
Quinn Angstrom
oh shit
Master Chieve
Oh wait no shit that is strong
Quinn Angstrom
I like this setup because you have "the familiars... are actually monsters....!!!" but then "but they don't want to be and their affection is genuine"
Master Chieve
THE FAMILIARS ARE MONSTERS THAT THE ELDER MAGI TAMED
Master Chieve
AND NOW YES THEY ARE MONSTERS BUT THEY ARE ALSO STILL YOUR FRIEND
moontouched
monsters glamored by magical contract
Echo
And kids who go around trying to tell the truth and have their familiars along with them can be passed of as 'they fell to the darkness, how tragic'.
moontouched
"if you mess this up then youll be responsible for the death of the person youre bonded with that would be a shame huh"
Master Chieve
A new, cutesy personality is written on top of the monster's
Master Chieve
Which is now shaped like a bunny or something
moontouched
"even if they live youre a monster so theyd never love you lol"
Master Chieve
YOU HAVE UNDERESTIMATED THE POWER OF LOVE, FUCKER
Quinn Angstrom
magical girl setting where fighting the monsters has a sanity loss element, except it actually doesn't and that's a convenient lie being spread to justify killing mahous when they go rogue
Quinn Angstrom
because they're already getting traumatized from the fact that they are child soldiers in a war that doesn't make any sense
Master Chieve
Half of the young magi don't even realize that this is happening all across the world
Master Chieve
They're just like "ohno! Monsters are attacking my town!"
Master Chieve
Butterfly: "Do not worry, child! You have the strength to defeat these monsters!"
Master Chieve
Child: "Then I shall do what needs to be done!"
Echo
[cue transformation sequence]
Master Chieve
just so
moontouched
rogue familiar probably got killswitched but they had enough willpower or w/e to resist it so they're a monster all the time now and it makes things a tad awkward
moontouched
but they're still the same entity they just look freaky as shit now
Master Chieve
That is Ruka as shit I love it
Master Chieve
Partners
Echo
They have many more tentacles but they are still A Friend.
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
okay but
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
we definitely need to have a scene where a familiar gets killswitched and someone power of loves their way through
Master Chieve
Okay I have started to home in on an aesthetic for the monsters, I think:
moontouched
also ACCIDENTALLY ADDS ANOTHER ALERT LEVEL TO THE WHOLE "ROGUE MAGI ANNOUNCEMENT" thing
Master Chieve
https://imgs.plurk.com/QuT/VWq/9RBEHP5D1KYbaLmoNUsut6rLifW_lg.png
Master Chieve
https://imgs.plurk.com/QuT/cWH/BSCPp68e1sfYP89erxKbrS5XQHw_lg.jpeg
moontouched
"this magi can CONTROL MONSTERS SO THEYRE CLEARLY AN AWFUL THREAT"
Quinn Angstrom
That first one is a bloodborne boss so this is a good monster aesthetic
moontouched
familiar: "whoops"
Master Chieve
https://imgs.plurk.com/QuT/5Qc/o1Wx4uQmGqzVWeUz5FknX7WajiZ_lg.jpeg
Echo
Wow That's A Lot Of Eyes is always a good aesthetic, honestly.
Master Chieve
https://imgs.plurk.com/QuT/ahX/71ZH5BRhvhPPZRiu6kdb5INKc2u_lg.jpeg
Master Chieve
Huge and shadowy and hard to see clearly
Echo
Can your average nonmagical person see them at all?
Master Chieve
Probably not
Echo
So one of those 'they know Something Bad happened but their minds filter it out and it gets reported as a gas leak or natural disaster' kind of deals?
Master Chieve
yeah
Echo
(Kinda wonder if the old money magi might not be responsible for that too, actually- some kind of perception filter spell...)
Master Chieve
I was actually considering that myself
Master Chieve
There's definitely like
Master Chieve
an uptick of ghost sightings and shit when an area has monsters in it
Master Chieve
...I think the monsters are just
Master Chieve
Hard To See
Echo
Maybe magical potential has something to do with how willing you are to confront this strange thing that Doesn't Fit With Reality, the willpower to make yourself look at it straight on and acknowledge it for what it is even when your brain tries to squiggle away from it at right angles because What The Fuck Is This.
moontouched
no wonder they start them young, kids just go O A MONSTER THING?? and are prime targets for being taken advantage of
Echo
Not, like, full-on madness inducing unknowable sight or anything, just something that makes the mind get super uncomfortable and gloss over whatever it saw with an automatic Nope, Let's Not.
Master Chieve
"The ability to accept the fundamentally absurd is the cornerstone of magic"
Rama
I don't have time for more RP stuff than I'm already committed to but I just want to say
Echo
Yes, that.
Master Chieve
I dig it
Rama
A++ using a false zero-sum game as the bad guys' main tool
Master Chieve
Intentional
Echo
The ability to accept the absurd and the strength of will to deal with it.
Master Chieve
Also you can totally make a character concept and just not do anything with it
Echo
...which sort of makes the old magi a little bit tragic, in that sort of 'you could've been better than this, you asshole
Master Chieve
Just having more people in the setting enriches it and gives everyone else character hooks and ideas
Echo
way
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
mmmmmm that kinda messes w/my character concept a bit if normals just Don't Know Anything :|a
Rama
That's a huge portion of RL social conditioning, the idea that there's a limited amount of things that aren't actually limited, like "rights" or "power"
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
i was kind of working on the assumption that normals at least knew this was going on
Master Chieve
superorbital: oh hmm
Master Chieve
No I always imagined it as a secret war scenario
Echo
Like, if magic basically requires a person to have a certain degree of mental flexibility and personal drive, then these people must have had those qualities to get the magic to start all this in the first place.
Master Chieve
Well I mean
Echo
And in a really twisted way, they are still showing those qualities, by being cunning enough to come up with this horrible exploitative plan and ambitious enough to follow through.
Master Chieve
mental flexibility and personal drive aren't inherently GOOD and NOBLE characteristics
Master Chieve
I'm trying to think of a way to not wreck Claire's idea
Echo
It's just. Using what could've been personal virtues to the worst possible ends.
✶ 天才的なIDOL様!
hHHhmMMm in that case her family's probably just well-known within this community of mages, then
Echo
Hm... possibly split the difference: the general public doesn't know, but there are maybe some old blood magical families who've been in on the secret of Magic Existing for generations?
Echo
So they're essentially their own separate community.
Master Chieve
That sounds good
Master Chieve
These old magic families probably don't even know about the elder magi
moontouched
either that or its like "these brave children protect us from mumble mumble REST ASSURED IT IS A NOBLE CAUSE"
Master Chieve
The world is, after all, littered with ex-magical children
Echo
Yeah- they probably think they're a lot more powerful and important than they really are.
Princess Emily
I'm wondering if I could/should repurpose Maddie for this since I think interest in that ocverse waned
Master Chieve
You could!
Master Chieve
There is certainly some thematic crossover
moontouched
go for it
Princess Emily
she'd probably be a little younger than the others but got warned by her familiar
Princess Emily
or some such
Master Chieve
My guy is going around warning people while staying one step ahead of the elder magi
Echo
Consider: because we're in a magical girl show here, and can have fun with metaphors being slightly more literal for coolnesses' sake, the black market isn't just a series of dubiously legal transactions via various contacts you may or may not admit to having as per real life- although it is also that, of course.
Echo
There's also, like, an actual literal market that moves around all the time.
Master Chieve
I dig it
Princess Emily
I've always loved the black market as literal marketplace
Master Chieve
I'm imagining, like
moontouched
i always thought thats what it was tbh
Echo
A bunch of people on weirdass supernatural souped-up bikes and vans and even weirder shit, lugging around their illegal as all hell magical goods and meeting up in the dead of night
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