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Hazard Kitten

@RShini

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:36 AM

y'know, it's kind of hilarious finding out WHY the 3e Iconic Fighter keeps fucking dying

Hazard Kitten

@RShini

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:37 AM

because the designers were pissed they were forced to use a white human guy by marketing executives instead of the dwarf they designed.

Rama

@Nerdorama

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:40 AM

I've never seen Regdar not played as a douche. Out of the two times I've seen anyone use the iconic characters for anything.

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:48 AM

oh is regdar always a shit

Hazard Kitten

@RShini

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:54 AM

I just thought it was kind of dunking on how bad fighters are in 3.X

Rama

@Nerdorama

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:55 AM

Wizards categorically refused to acknowledge that until like a year before the line ended though

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 5:01 AM

Let's not talk about caster supremacy in 3.xx if weaboo fightan magic is not used

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 5:01 AM

btw you can guess which book i love

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 5:01 AM

I may have literally made Sanger from Super Robot Wars with that book

Rama

@Nerdorama

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 5:03 AM

Weeaboo Fightan Magic: Book of Nine Wank Threads On Every Forum?

Rama

@Nerdorama

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 5:03 AM

(I fuckin' love Weeaboo Fightan Magic)

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 5:04 AM

That's why we bros

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:51 PM

Tome of Battle was so good.

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 4:51 PM

And, yeah, the art team was Not Happy with Marketing.

La Comtesse

@mephron

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:26 PM

I always wanted to put together a character from To9S, but the local GMs refused to use it. I once taunted one with "are you afraid I'd be as good as a wizard in doing damage?"

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:29 PM

but wizards need to not only be better than everybody else in everything but

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:30 PM

...shit idk where i was going with this

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:30 PM

they just need to be better than everybody else in everything

Rama

@Nerdorama

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:30 PM

And also be able to do shit no one else can do?

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:31 PM

there we go

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:31 PM

thank u

Princess Emily

@deerleisure

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:31 PM

for filling in what was really obvious but somehow escaped me mid-sentence

Izzy

@izzyryu

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:50 PM

Yup. Gotta show those filthy jocks who's boss.

Izzy

@izzyryu

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 9:51 PM

That's why I'm a filthy ~~Wow game for stupid babbies~~ 4e fan

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 10:26 PM

Yeaaaah

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 10:26 PM

And 4e's "Essentials" line went right back to it, even if the numbers are a lot less abd

Hazard Kitten

@RShini

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 10:26 PM

I like lot of 5e's iconics

Hazard Kitten

@RShini

Wed, Apr 19, 2017 10:26 PM

but the system is a hot mess

Izzy

@izzyryu

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:50 AM

NekoInc, MSPM : Yeah, I basically ignore Essentials in any game I run.

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:53 AM

As a pathfinder player

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:54 AM

It wasn't the balance changes

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:54 AM

it just didn't feel like D&D anymore

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:54 AM

3.5 with weaboo fightan magic actually got the balance fairly good

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:54 AM

everyone could do crazy shit

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:54 AM

It was like a game of exalted

Rama

@Nerdorama

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:55 AM

Ehhhh

Rama

@Nerdorama

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:55 AM

3.5 still needed about 50% fewer supplements and 6th+ level spells to be anything close to "balanced"

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:55 AM

yeah the high level spells got bonkers

Rama

@Nerdorama

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:55 AM

And even then, in retrospect, it's pretty kludgy

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:56 AM

It was actually fun, though.

Rama

@Nerdorama

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 12:56 AM

But that kludginess is just part of the D&D feel now

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 1:09 AM

I'm going to politely say no, there's a feel that just kinda got lost in 4th. 5th feels a little weird too,

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 1:09 AM

where 4th went was kind of like warhammer fantasy battle only you only get one model.

Rogal Dorn

@Grimdork

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 1:10 AM

5th I can at least see where they were trying to go an how it followed on from 3rd. It feels D&D ish.

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 1:23 AM

5th gets odd because in some ways it's a modern-rolled version of 2nd with a few bits of Fate mixed in, then theoretically stuff from 3e or 4e can be bolted on to 'customize' the system

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 1:24 AM

There's a couple pieces of it that I absolutely love - Advantage/Disadvantage being so close to one except for the illogical way to handle stacking.

NekoInc, MSPM

@NekoIncardine

Thu, Apr 20, 2017 1:25 AM

But then so many new issues...