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I've developed this weird obsession with tiny houses.
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Like, I've consistently had this dream of living in this hyper-efficiency type of apartment, since I was a tiny child.
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When The Fifth Element came out, I remember being like OH THAT'S LIKE THE APARTMENT FROM MY DREAM about Korbin's place
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but recently I started peering at "tiny houses" that are like... that, but way less tech-y.
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They're often sort of rusticly styled, like cabins or caravans or something
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And I AM IN LOVE WITH THINGS LIKE STAIRS THAT HAVE SHELVING IN THEM
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And I have no idea why I am so obsessed with this stuff, but I keep peering at pictures being like I WANNA LIVE IN A PLACE LIKE THIS
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I think it's partially because I have hoarding tendencies and think it would force me to have fewer things. (LOL)
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But also I just really like spaces that do double duty and neat little ways to put things away
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like stairs that have shelves built into the area under the staircase?
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yesssssss
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and nifty little tucked-away shelves in places like that?
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that could be neat if well designed
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like this person has their whole wardrobe stored in a staircase:
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and this one has drawers:
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it looks cool, but seems like complete hell to keep neat all the time.
Puliway
I am enchanted by the idea but have the hardest time decluttering my one br apartment
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yeah the need for decluttering is one of my biggest issues
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there's also some that like... come out from cabinets ?
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haha yeah see and I'm like
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BUT IT WOULD FORCE ME TO DO IT IF I LIVED IN A TINY PLACE
mai
ooh yes. I have a friend who really wants to buy a house on wheels: Tumbleweed Tiny Houses
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because I'm actually trying to work on decluttering/minimizing my stuff right now Alex gave me the bug but since I live in a big enough place, I don't... have to?
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Like there's room for all my shit here, but I still hate how much of it I have, because most of it is... shit that I don't need or use.
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mai : YES LIKE ONE OF THOSE
curieosity。
oh yeah, and then sometimes it's just hard convincing yourself to let go of something
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even if you know you'll never use or need it
mai
yeaaaah
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yeah. it's also like ... I can't afford to replace anything, so I keep a lot of things that "might work" or "could be useful someday"
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my biggest problem is... books. b/c I have a bunch but I never read most of them
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But I get really frustrated with how much shit I have that really isn't what I need or want
wind
They had a lot of "tiny house nation" stuff on tv a while back, and I always liked it. I would adore living in one, except most are usually trailer type houses. D:
mai
if you have a college friend or someone you can drag over to your house, or even someone to call and chat with while you do that, it helps!
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Mm! I'm hoping to work on it some more when my health gets a bit better
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wind : Yeah I'd probably want something more solid and stationary than that, really.
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But there's some tiny cottages and stuff.
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they're so cute
wind
Yeah, though that doesn't work for me either for the same reason. Because they're usually out in the middle of nature, and I don't drive. But hnnnngh, I've wanted one for years.
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Yeah.
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they're so neat
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I just love seeing all the storage solutions people come up with in them
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and the design elements are really cool
wind
Yeah, and how they situate beds and the like.
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I find stuff like fold-down tables and desks really neat too
curieosity。
I wouldn't mind a tiny house either, but maaaan I have too many things and good furniture and feel like I wouldn't have ROOM. and then there's the fact that I live living in an urban area, which for the most part wouldn't have such tiny places.
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like THIS ONLY HAS TO BE HERE WHEN I AM USING IT???
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that's awesome to me because I trip over furniture so much (rofl)
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I'm best sticking with a 1br apt
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see, I don't really have much in the way of quality stuff I actually WANT to keep
wind
Hee, yes.
wind
I'd be super happy with a studio apt. too, except that when I look at prices, I feel like a tiny house would get me more for so much less.
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Yeah, a studio apartment would be cool too!
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But they're less charming to me somehow (LOL)
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I just really regret having as much space as I do right now. Like. I live in a guest house, not a full-sized house, but the bedroom is kind of built like... a barn or something? It's huge. And I have an extra room I was going to make into a study that wound up like... PILED HIGH WITH STORED SHIT.
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That I really need to just completely gut.
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I'd really rather have a decent one-bedroom place than this.
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I mostly have..... comp desk + chair, dresser x 2 (one small, one large), full size bed, kitchen table + 4 chairs, 4 bookcases, sofa, loveseat, accent table x 4, nightstand, upholstered armchair. (thinking)
wind
Yeah, it helps that I don't have furniture or anything yet. I can buy stuff depending on where and when I finally find a place for myself.
wind
But I also 100% agree that it felt great when I decided to clear out half the shit in my room like "I don't even remember having this so long sucker!" and then looking around and not missing a thing.
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HAHAHA
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Yeah I really want to do that.
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It's just going to take a lot of time and energy.
wind
Yessssssss, it does.
wind
I was lucky to have planned it well and had a lot of motivation at the time.
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a one bedroom apartment is the way to go, I say.
wind
I would nab one in a heartbeat if they didn't cost as much as our freaking house here. :|||||
wind
I can't speak as to anywhere else, but apartment prices in So Cal are insane.
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Yeah I can't really move until I get a whole bunch of financial stuff sorted out, so all this is wishful thinking on my part. (LOL)
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in my case it's basically a living room, bedroom, some nice closets, a small kitchen, and a smallish-medium size full bathroom.
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Like right now I'm still in a situation of possibly being homeless in a month or two >>
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so this is just pipe dreams
curieosity。
ewwww
wind
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Pipe dreams fuel me right now. I say have as many as you want.
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My other pipe dream is living under Puli's kitchen cabinets and stealing her food all the time.
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>>
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But you know!
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It's just weird though, that I had a dream about this sort of... really small space living... since I was really young.
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And then it became a THING that was everywhere recently.
Robin Season
I'm weird because I get all -_- at the tiny house TV shows (but not because I am against tiny houses)
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because the ones on the TV... most of them could do what they want far more cheaply and efficiently with an RV
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haha
Robin Season
I have to laugh every time hubby turns that show on
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I don't know enough about RVs to really judge, but I'm used to them being really expensive
Robin Season
not as expensive as those houses are, no
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we looked at a really nice one this summer that had slide outs and fireplaces and it was maybe $37k
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WOW
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I'm used to people talking about buying RVs that cost more than traditional houses
Robin Season
and bigger than the tiny house
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so I've never really thought of them as a thing that would be an option
Robin Season
those are the ones you drive, with a diesel engine, that look like a tour bus
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... there's another kind?
Robin Season
we do the travel trailer thing with ours. that's why we always have one more vehicle at the house than however many drivers we have in the family
Robin Season
yeah. travel trailers and fifth wheels
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ahhhh I see
Robin Season
how do you think we can afford having two of them?
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IDK!!??
Robin Season
we did get a really good deal on the one that's in Michigan, because it used to be ours and we traded a motorcycle as part of the price, lol, and got it back from friends
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there are some amazingly clever ways to save space though
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haha I see
Robin Season
yeah, the ones that you tow are far more affordable, even if you count in buying a vehicle to tow it
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I'm mostly interested in space saving design elements, and less in WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE IT IS
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but that's neat I should look at some of those
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8D
Robin Season
those big diesel ones that look like a tour bus are going to run $60k and up even for used ones, sometimes. $100-200k isn't at all unheard of
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but you can get a little 13 foot trailer, even :-)
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our shadow cruiser wasn't that much bigger than that
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fold down beds and tables and all sorts of fun cabinet things :-)
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oooo
Robin Season
there are smaller ovens for those that actually come with one
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though except for one camper, we always just used a toaster oven
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there are small refrigerators
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smaller cooktops
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tables fold down into beds
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or couches can
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our bigger camper has bunks in the back, with storage underneath the bottom set
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so I also think it's weird when the builders of these tiny houses think only along the lines of them being houses. I'm fine with custom building a home to be exactly how you want
Robin Season
but when they don't use the wealth of ideas that are there with RVs which are essentially the same thing, I just shake my head
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I think a lot of the tiny house thing is caught up in the aesthetics of minimalism, though.
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Which RVs definitely do not fit.
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I definitely prefer function over form.
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So I'm not really as into the "typical" small house stuff because a lot of it just seems to be there to fulfill that minimalism aesthetic, which I'm not really into.
wind
Haha, there's definitely an aesthetic to it. And a feeling of being in a "real house" vs. a motor home.
wind
My best friend in elementary school had a motor home, and her family took me with them on some trips. It had its own awesome feel, like you could take it anywhere and still be "home."
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But the tiny homes that feel more efficient but still cozy? I'm super into. :3
wind
Hnngh, yes.
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haha yeah I could see that
SouthernMoonshine
Yeah the mobile-trailer tiny house thing makes me scratch me head too
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I haven't watched any of the shows, but a lot of the tiny house sites really pitch it as...
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being aesthetically more like a real house
SouthernMoonshine
Because that's what a motorhome is right? My grandparents had one and they would take us on vacation to Florida every year when I was tiny
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and a lot of them are styled very rustic
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But the stationary ones, yeah I see the appeal
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I think for a lot of people motorhomes don't feel like real houses?
SouthernMoonshine
This is why I'm happy with the "smaller" older house we bought, instead of the cavernous newer houses they sell these days
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more space = more room for the wollybuggers to hide in help
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haha yes that too
SouthernMoonshine
Dude have you seen motorhomes these days? They are nice, seriously, some family friends had one that made my house look like a derelict wreck. Electric fireplace, wood floors, granite countertops....
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Nicer than most housetrailers I've been in
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haha no I haven't
SouthernMoonshine
Trust me, they fancy these days
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I am sorry for not knowing anything about rich people stuff??
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like a lot of what I like about the tiny home thing is how many people were doing a lot of work on them themselves and having a whole house for $20,000 or so
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like it's a nice dream for me because it seems more achievable than ever having $100,000
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(or more)
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to have a "real" house
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like fantasizing about things that are really really expensive stopped being fun at some point for me, so stuff that seems like a frugal alternative but has super cool aesthetics is way more fun
SouthernMoonshine
I guess cause I know so many retired folks, motorhomes just never seemed like a "rich" thing to me? :|a Just a retired-so-we-migrate-to-Florida-for-the-winter thing.
SouthernMoonshine
An old-people thing. >.>;;;
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haha
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It just always struck me as a rich people thing because everyone I knew who had one spent more for it than they spent for their regular house
SouthernMoonshine
I have no idea what they cost, honestly >.> Never wanted one so I never asked. Shrugs
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but I'm also coming so much from the extreme poverty perspective that who I consider rich and who you consider rich you're probably very different things
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I'm not really used to people retiring most people I know work until they die
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unless they're disabled or something
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so the whole retiring and then going off and doing other things is itself a rich people thing to me
SouthernMoonshine
Nods And I've always been around middle-class sorts so my perspective is skewed, too.
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granted the whole minimalist movement is also a rich people thing, but it's one that feels a little more accessible
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like poorer people have edged into it by making their own versions of the rich people things
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like how some communities are trying to get tiny houses for homeless people
HIKIKOMORTIS
I LOVE tiny houses but I'd never be able to limit the amount of stuff I have enough to use one.
SouthernMoonshine
So obviously I need to help get both you and Lizzy a tiny house, because she wants one too
HIKIKOMORTIS
It might make a fun vacation home though
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HAHA THERE WE GO SUZ
SouthernMoonshine
She thinks she'll lose less stuff that way
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... that sounds like a good plan for me too
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though it depends because if it's one of those tiny houses with lots of little shelves and drawers....
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(LOL)
SouthernMoonshine
Honestly she's just like me and tends to put stuff down and walk off and forget where she put it so I'm not sure a smaller house would help
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hahaha
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Except by maybe giving her fewer places to look.
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I mean it's less space to cover looking for something though!!
SouthernMoonshine
True!
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I would love to have less area to clean too xp
Robin Season
I'm sure it;s possible to build a tiny house for an affordable amount of money, but the ones on those tv shows aren't that; they cost more and weigh a ton more and do things so much less efficiently and are more about the aesthetics and the "oh look at what I'm doing to reduce my carbon footprint"
Robin Season
that's what annoys me
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yeah I've never seen the TV shows, just internet sites about them, a lot of which focus on how little people spent building them
Robin Season
I just get so upset at the people who make a choice like that and parade it around as if they are morally superior. I'm not saying I disagree with the choice, just that occsional attitude you see
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HAHAHA YEAH
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I think we're probably just looking at different cultures involved with it
Robin Season
the houses usually are a real house, just built small, so they weigh so much more, so I hope a lot of these people aren't moving them around very often
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Hahaha. yeah and I'm not really interested in the moving aspect
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so we're definitely talking about different things
Robin Season
now, someone not quite in my neighborhood, but a few miles away, built a nice house out of the shipping containers
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those are super neat too
Robin Season
and then they plastered it over with stucco so it's got a nice adobe southwest vibe to it
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ooo!
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I also really like stuff where people take other kinds of buildings and convert it into housing
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like there was an old barn that I used to play in behind my grandmother's house, and someone bought the lot and converted it into a house
Robin Season
the containers aren't ridiculously expensive, they're already structurally sound, so they just need finishing out (and connecting to other containers for when you need more space than one)
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and it was really super nice
Robin Season
I've definitely been looking at barn and pole barn home conversions
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because we are having problems finding the housing we need if we do move to the UP
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nods
Robin Season
and yeah, hubby will potentially be living in the RV up there if we do take the job
Puliway
I think.... I fantasize most about communal iving spaces
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at least until it gets too cold to
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Like with private rooms but big multi-family common areas
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And shared kitchens/yard space
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Like... I don't need much more than a dormroom's share of private/personal space
Robin Season
we were studying about living areas like that last month in my granddaughter's social studies lesson
Puliway
But it would be so nice to not only have an enormous functional kitchen, but people to share it with, without, like.... having a gamily
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family**
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To eat group meals and stuff, but still be able to have your own independant 'household'
Robin Season
there are some mountain communities in China with villages like that. a few buildings, each of the buildings is circular, with a courtyard in the middle
Puliway
Yeah!
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And in the netherlands/finland, I think I've seen
Robin Season
makes a lot better use of what little flat land and building resources they have there
Puliway
When I was a kid I lived in a townhouse development where basically everybody had a common stretch of front yard and no backyard because th houses had another set of units attached to the opposite side
Puliway
So I did a lot of growing up with communal lawnspace.
Puliway
and I miss the idea of having that in a lot of ways
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that sounds super cool
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I guess I don't fantasize about that kind of thing because I'm used to thinking of myself as in the out-group
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like it sounds really cool to me but I can't imagine anyone accepting me into that kind of community
Puliway
8< Maybe I dream about weird out-group banding together
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so hearing other people talk about those things or reading about them is really cool but I can't ever imagine myself living there
Puliway
I mean I'm super introverted but.... often I wish there was some kind of non-awkward way to belong to a community, I guess
Puliway
without necessaily having a traditional family unit
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that sounds amazing
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if Puli were there I would go
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(LOL)
SouthernMoonshine
Hippie communes?
HIKIKOMORTIS
I'm picturing a circle of tiny houses around a communal courtyard of sorts, like a band of Romani vardo
HIKIKOMORTIS
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Yeah-- communal living spaces is definitely a thing I would be MORE interested in if there were a good way to do that without sacrificing privacy.
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Because you end up wasting a lot less and spending a lot less when you share those rooms and goods that everyone needs a separate one of if you live separately
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that's true!
curieosity。
and assuming that people don't just steal things in the communal rooms
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as an example, my previous apartment building was for people who had previously been homeless for X amount of time or longer. no wait list. it's a way to help people get a positive rental history that would be tough to otherwise. but it was ~$360 for a bedroom, a bathroom you share with several other tenants, and a single communal kitchen+living room on the
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first floor. and people continually would use up the toilet paper in the bathrooms and not put in fresh rolls. it was irritating b/c I could put in a fresh roll one day and the next it's gone
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I eventually learned to simply take the roll in and out with me b/c I couldn't trust the others sharing the bathroom
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and while not related to theft, the kitchen sharing was annoying b/c only one resident could be in it at a time, and there was only one.
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if you wanted to do cooking and it was in use, you either had to wait or try to get your microwave oven to do it
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everyone of course had a microwave oven and dorm-size fridge in their bedrooms
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so, communal living def has more downsides than lack of privacy
Puliway
I mean, yeah, the private/publicness of... stuff, is always going to cause some tension
Puliway
But in an ideal, perfect-world arrangement, a kitchen would be big enough to accomodate more than one person at once
Puliway
The security of stuf getting stolen is one of the reasons why the first... experimentalist communal living situation I was in fell apart
Puliway
Someone was taking cash from me while I slept, and that was not cool.
Puliway
It happened again with my last roommate
Puliway
...So. Yes, there are risks involved.
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there should at least be locks on one's bedrooms
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the place I was in thankfully did have that.
Puliway
But while I don't really crave size in terms of a big house, I.... definitely have times where I feel way too cramped in my kitchen
Puliway
But there's not many affordable 1 bedrooms that have the kind of kitchen-to-rest-of-the-living-space ratio that would really make me happiest.
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haha yeah
Puliway
I've seen a few models where the kitchen space is more incorporated into the living area though, and I crave having a home like hat someday
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