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[da] things in fandom that annoy me
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claiming that because isabela/merrill/leliana's romances are better with women, that they are lesbians
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drawing isabela with skin that's a lot darker than her actual skin color
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if u have to take away representation from another group than you're doing it wrongggg
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or, oh! being more defensive of bi cullen/alistair than actual bi/pan characters
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josephine exists you assholes!!
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sits in here for all this
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
I haven't done those romances either way, how are they better with women out of curiosity?
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on the isabela with way darker skin thing, some people are just...extremely fetishistic about anyone with a different skin tone or POC in general and it's actually really creepy and gross
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NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
: i don't really think so. i mean, people think that doing it with bela and male feels very "fix the wild woman" or something that i've seen but i don't mind it either way
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
I seeee.
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: graar it is so fetishy and gross. i notice it a lot in this fandom, esp.
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also apparently you can't call alistair a white guy anymore
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
I could understand slight skin tone changes as artistic difference because no two artists will use the same tones...but WAY different... =/
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yeah da fandom has it pretty bad compared to my other ones...
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
...why can't you call him white...? Because he's half elf?
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i've seen fanart before where someone's premise was "i headcanon all the companions as POC! here is how i think they look!!"
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proceed with merrill being not-white...
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aveline is also now...not-white
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varric is now also....not-white
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it's...kind of really fucked up?
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
And people don't see it as troublesome if they aren't whitewashing characters?
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
Though I know whitewashing happens in the fandom too.
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oh yeah it happens a lot
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just a few days ago people were trying to defend whitewashing in art
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
I just sort of see it said that making white people not white isn't racist because you can't be racist against white people... 
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but... Alistair is really white? 
Louis LaRey
white washing Dorian is a personal pet peeve of mine, and Josephine
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
The only time I can excuse not represent skin tone in art is like if it's black and white only. Like I mean with no grayscale.
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because alistair was supposedly kinda dark in dao, and lighter in dai but i didn't notice that
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and yeah leave josie and dorian aloooooone arrgh
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
Since typically hair is what gets colored in before skin, and that isn't realistic representation.
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yeah the usual logic is that it's only bad if you make them white which is just...
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idk here's a crazy idea how about we just don't change people skintones at all from what they actually are...
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
...Alistair didn't look dark to me? Maybe not pasty pale but he looked healthily light skinned...
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
Okay looking at caps, with Alistair it literally just looks like lighting differences.
je suis groot
it's lighting differences
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that said, there are skin tone differences even among white people
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so it's interesting to me that people don't...notice that but make a Thing of it if someone is clearly POC
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
Yeah definitely. Hell I have differences in my skin from time to time. I'm more pale in winter, never mind that I'm pale in general but still.
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
I'm actually more surprised it's about lighting differences rather than his half elf self.
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people will take anything these days :')
NᴇᴡYᴇᴀʀ'sEᴇᴠᴇᴇ
Indeed.
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
as someone who rps both merrill and leliana - i can see where others would feel comfortable that they are more leaned towards women on the bi spectrum (but completely erasing the fact that they are bi is shit)
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
i play both of them out as favoring women over men but they do have great chemistry with men as well (ie i will ship merrill/carver into the sunset goddamn it but I also enjoy merrill/bethany)
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
but yeah lmao that's so shitty :') but im not surprised
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oh yeah! i mean bi people can have slight prefs for one gender over the other but it's just acting like they can't have any relationships with men because ewww men or whatever
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
yeah
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
no i know what you were getting at
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tbh this fandom has a problem with ... everything lmao
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
(i kind of resonate with those characters on a personal level because of my own prefs and being used to people being like lol nooo when i mention i like girls and dudes so i mean... yeah. used to it) 
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
so of course it's in fandom /rolls eyes
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bi erasure in general just pisses me off fucking hell
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bi erasure is--
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yeah
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
/brofists everyone in this plurk tbh
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it's really frustrating especially when it's just...idk
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
gotta love that bi erasure
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casually phased out of convo
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
^^^^
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i see it a lot because i have a lot of lesbian people on my timeline...
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of course not all of them are like that? but there's definitely some who get vocal about how x character is TOTALLY GAY!!!!!
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but it's a character that's bi
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OR we don't actually know that they don't have interest in the opposite gender, only confirmation that they like someone of the same gender
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the attitude towards bi people in general is sad coming from both straight and gay
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yep.
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it sucks because like... i get why they automatically leap to "TOTALLY GAY" because they want representation
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and if you have to take away rep from someone else then is it really representation...
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but at the same time being bi/pan is still so generally seen as faking or just taking the easy way or something
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"being easy" or "greedy"
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so some people even argue that having gay representation is more important than any bi representation
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both are important okay people it's not a competition
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exactly
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we should be united rather than fighting with eachother
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but also in the da fandom is the insane hatred for characters for being PCsexual/bi-default
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or even straight
𝒜𝒻𝒻𝓁𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓈 𝒮𝑜𝓁𝓊𝓈
yup. all of this 
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even though these things do exist in a normal spectrum. i'll agree that it's not balanced per se, but i don't think it's write to write off that you can clearly have homosexual relationships with bi characters
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*it's fair to write off
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...also on the isabela thing, that just pisses me off anyway because it's CANON DEFAULT that she ends up in a casual relationship with fenris
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some people will be like LOL NOT IN MY GAME but i'm just :|
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neither of them are homosexually exclusive