Liq
Getting NZ citizenship Just leaving this here in case anyone was serious about it if Drumpf gets elected in November.
Liq
Apparently we don't have a naturalisation test or anything, just interviews and documentation proving you're of good character. And you need to live here on permanent residency for 5y.
Misha
I'm an accountant, I'm pretty sure I can be an asset to the country
Liq
And $470 NZD lawl
perky
ossiaxevion, let's go! It's like...the easiest thing.
Misha
I'll take a couple tax classes to get my certs too
Rune🐻ofAgamotto
moving if everyone else is moving
Liq
That's $340 USD in today's exchange rate
perky
Misha
: Adopt me. Take me with you.
Liq
We have a multi-party system (non-bipartisan), where number of votes toward a party's elected officials contribute to their number of seats in Parliament.
Liq
So you CAN elect for both party AND a different Prime Minister
Misha
what's your taxation system like?
apple
perky
: deal
Liq
We also don't have crazy animals and insects.
Liq
Misha
: Expensive as fuck, it's like 34%
apple
Liq
: but they have you, pretty sure that counts as a crazy animal
Liq
Otherwise, not as progressive as we probably would like. For example, while this is changing soon, there is no capital gains tax.
Misha
but you have people that do that for a job, yes?
Liq
And they are only recently introducing taxation on online purchases.
Liq
Accountants?
Liq
Yes lolol
Liq
All of the "big 4" have high presence and large offices here.
Misha
well not all accountants do tax here
Liq
(KPMG, PWC, Ernest & Young, Deloitte)
Misha
and some specialize in it, like I do
Zee
"We also don't have crazy animals and insects" IS THAT SHADE, LIQ? 
Liq
Zee
: It's not my goddamn fault everything in Australia wants to kill everything else
Charisma
so it wouldn't be creepy if I moved to NZ if Trump won? good to know
Misha
yep I can be an asset to the country, can I crash on your couch while I find employment?
Charisma
who needs a nanny 
alvιe
There is no snakes. I think that's recommendation enough
Liq
To be clear, we have our share of corruption and stupid politics too.
Liq
Just...the extremes are less 0-100 as it is 40-60
Charisma
every place does
Misha
^
Charisma
I don't mind snakes, I do mind snakes that will kill me
Misha
and drop bears
Liq
But I'm happy to say we're one of the countries that voted early on for LGBT marriage equality because "ok, it doesn't really effect me, whatever, go for it"
Zee
Nothing here wants to kill you. Just want to take a chunk of your thighs and maybe prick some venom in you, it's ok. It's initiation. 
Misha
Charisma
I'm not into venom!
Suze
You have Dildo Baggins too!
Liq
Yes.
Suze
Last Week Tonight With John Oliver- New Zealand and ...
Liq
this that lady that threw the yup yup it is lol
Liq
I lol'ed so hard
Suze
I just loved that clip!
Suze
Have to hand it to Joyce for tweeting to send it Oliver to "get it over with". 
Liq
It's great, I laughed so much
Jaxon
are guns legal?
Liq
There's no 2nd Amendment law; you apply, get vetted and keep registration up to date, etc. and mostly hunting firearms, not pistols etc. There is no citizen carry
horrorz♥
im rdy
im rdy
Adeline
hmm...Healthcare? what's it like?
Liq
Mix of subsidised and governmental. Anyone who hurts themselves here (including visitors) are eligible for ACC, which subsidises, and in some cases, pays entirely, for treatment and recovery.
Liq
You can also pay for private health insurance which allows you access to certain treatments that national healthcare cannot or doesn't provide.
Liq
Private health insurance for the average person is a lot cheaper than in the US, I've noted, and coverage is often a lot better.
Liq
ACC is also a mechanism the government uses to outlaw randomly suing people for accidents.
Liq
I don't have experience with serious or surgical type stuff, but I slammed my finger in a car door one time while at work, and it was covered by ACC. I saw 2 nurses, 1 doctor and got an xray just in case.
Liq
Also had under-nail pressure relieved via a needle drill, and a prescription of painkillers. I never saw a bill.
Suze
That's great! My insurance in quite good and no idea of the total cost but have just a $60/mo co-pay. Had a hospital stay a few years ago. It was $67,000 and my insurance paid it all.
Liq
Oh, but if you like having a supersized and super awesome military, then we're probably not for you lolol. Our armed forces and national defence policy is "small but credible force projection" which basically
Liq
means besides the SAS special forces unit, we tend to just send people to conflict areas to clear mines, build infrastructure and stuff. We don't really do large expeditions and haven't since like Vietnam
Liq
We don't have a "blue-water navy" and the air force is non-existant.
Adeline
I wonder if my IVIG would be covered. It is my immune treatment that replaces my antibodies every other week. It's very expensive.
Liq
It would be preexisting, unfortunately, and a specialised treatment, which is unlikely to be covered.
Liq
The only time specialised stuff is covered is if the medical community asks the government to cover it for medical research and advancement purposes, which has happened before.
Liq
e.g. you are one of a very small percentage of people who have a condition that they want to increase knowledge on
potato boyo
I wouldn't pass
potato boyo
gonna have to illegally live in your basement
alvιe
that's the downside. good luck finding a house, esp if you want to live in major cities like auckland, within 30 minutes driving distance to work, without paying through the nose.
Liq
oh yeah, you can forget that lolol
Winter
Look, I'd rather live in the Thunderdome than Mount Doom.
Winter
You have orcs. I'd rather have the crazy insects.
Zee
^ Yeah, take that Kiwis
Zee
IDK how to sell my side of the ocean. Er. We have Thor and Wolverine?
Monroe Jigsaw
I...uh...I CAN PET SHEEP!!
Monroe Jigsaw
Zee
: you were talking about shade? ^ lol
potato boyo
I have Starbux and Microsoft?
potato boyo
and we have an actual super hero that patrols our city fighting crime.
potato boyo
Zee
Monroe Jigsaw
: She slays
Monroe Jigsaw
OMG WE CAN LIVE IN THE SHIRE YOU GUYS 
Suze
That's almost like full-circle on one of the wingnut conspiracy theories here. They're going to put us all in Hobbit homes and FEMA trailers! PS: Those who believe that are usually Drumpf voters.
EclecticWingtips
Pffft 1/2 the kiwis have defected to australia. I suggest coming here instead
Rune🐻ofAgamotto
Suze
: maybe we want Drumpf elected to he can pay for us all to move to the Shire? naaaaah
Monroe Jigsaw
one wig to rule them all....
Suze
Rune🐻ofAgamotto
: He'd want Mexico to pay for that too. I'm sure Vincente Fox might even have a better response for that one..
Dovelove
if I hadn't gotten into a serious relationship, I was for-real looking into moving to NZ. It has been on my list forever, and would totally be my go-to place for actually living somewhere else in the
Dovelove
world.