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I want to talk about spiritual and pragmatic presentation in the context of star wars and I'm going to treat midichlorians as an actual serious concept so. This won't actually be all that long. IT GOT LONG
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I think there's a sort of fundamental disconnect with the Star Wars universe between what the characters experience the general tone of their world to be, and what we, the audience, observe.
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You don't want to skew too far into the character presentation, I think, when writing them, because if you get too real it stops being fun-- it stops being Star Wars.
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For example, there's a war, and that's awful, and most Jedi that come of age during the war....ie, most of those we get to actually see, are going to be fighting in it during their student years.
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I mean, I love to make fun of Anakin but he has legitimate reasons to be fucked up in the head. And I'm not talking about Sith influence.
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I'm talking about going to war at like age twelve.
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After having been basically donated to a monastic cult
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after having been literal human property, chattel, a slave
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The prequels do not do a good job of portraying the numberous subtle and gross ways that his life might have screwed up Anakin, or how he might feel about it, but it's not as if they don't show any of it.
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But I mean, even under a more competent creator, or a different script, or just.... betterness happing
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This would be a tough line, because child soldiering is horrible
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but the Jedi are good?
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And we can't go all "war is hell" while also having our exciting space adventures with obi-wan
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The tone for the audience's sake is happier, more like a pulp adventure novel, a space opera, while the facts of life for the characters are considerably more grim.
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But they can't react to the grimness of their reality too hardcore, because that brings down the tone the audience sees. Which causes the weird disconnect I started with.
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I want to talk about the Force.
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The Force, and everything related to it, are basically magic.
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The audience understands that-- and the Force (and the Jedi) work best as a narrative device when they're vague and mystical and mysterious.
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they're magic, the jedi are wizard knights, everything is fun and broad and just super great fun.
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But you can't imagine that a Jedi sees it that way. You can't have a pseudo-military organization going out and performing what amounts to morality audits on behalf of the senate for more than a thousand
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years and not get some of this stuff sciened.
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I like the midichlorians, I'm just going to say it.
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It was definitely a narrative misstep, but from the perspective of the characters, it makes perfect sense. They have to have a way to justify taking people's children to become Jedi.
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After all, this isn't fucking Pern
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F'lar and his dragon can't just fly down, have a feeling and steal some babies.
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In Star Wars, there would be some military and political pushback, and it's really hard to fly off with some babies when their mom cocks her shotgun and asks you which nut you wanna keep.
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I think about this in terms of other fantasy worlds too.
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I mean, as much as the economy of Harry Potter bothers me, they have got magic so much that it's used to do dishes and sort out the sewage system and make candy
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maybe that's a bad example, a lot of the worldbuilding in Harry Potter is really more of a kinder surprise than a nice thick layer-cake. There's only a shell there.
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But my point still stands: utility. Magic in that world is not exclusively a weapon, it's a well-understood tool.
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In Mass Effect, they use eezo and mass effect fields in everything from starships to x-men to toothbrushes
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it's basically magic, but it's used like it has a science
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And the Force, or at least some aspects of it, have that as well, I think.
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From the perspective of the characters, it's somewhat mysterious, but fundamentally well understood in its function as a tool. It's mundane, in a way.
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And the use of midichlorians as a way to measure Force-interaction in an individual is a good example of that, to me.
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I mean, we assume that Luke's training is similar in its basics to what old republic Younglings are taught, but I feel like maybe it's more like being in a martial arts class than Yoda's School Of Zen
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Yoda's kind of a space case you guys.
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Like, his whole attitude is very Ancient Kung Fu Master
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I'm willing to bet that most of the instructors of young Jedi aren't Oogway, they're Shifu.
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because kids are little shits, even jedi kids
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and there is a right and wrong way to do things
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there are schools of lightsaber combat, for fucks sake, competing schools.
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I just want you to know I'm reading this, even if I'm not commenting yet. o/
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oh cool
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I'm just trying to think out how I want to portray it when RPing Obi-Wan, because in the past I've just written whatever feels sort of correct, but I wanted to be more
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I don't know. Thought-out
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Obi-Wan is.... a weird guy, for a Jedi? He sort of lives his life very much according to the spirit of the Jedi Code, more than the letter. That's gotten him in trouble.
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He's a spiritual kind of guy, he percieves the Force in the way most people understand religion, but at the same time he's fairly precise and scientific in his approach to life.
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So it's almost hypocritical
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But at the same time, is it really? I mean, the Force isn't like praying in church and getting a subjective personal enlightenment. You can test for midichlorians and get a rough estimate of Force-sensitivity.
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This is, in his perspective, a phyiscally grounded, real thing.
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not a point of philosophy
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you can argue about the validity of religious belief, but you can't argue about the reality of a blood test.
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According to my doctors you can, but go on...
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Right, I mean. I know that.
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Yeah. xD
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Blood tests aren't some kind of magical indicator, and they can be wrong or otherwise hecked up for a bunch of reasons
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I know what you mean.
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But you still can't fly down, have a feeling, and legally kidnap babies to join your religious cult.
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i mean you can
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but only if you're in north korea
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or something
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POINT IS
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Okay, it's like....uh.
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I guess when writing Obi-Wan, and conceptualizing the Jedi Order in general, it's difficult. Some Jedi are very philosophical and mystic like Yoda. And some are more like Ashoka, who seems to treat the Force
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like nothing more than a compass or a weapon. For her the philosophical ramifications of things might be conceptually important, but they're practically-speaking irrelevant.
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And Obi-Wan, like all Jedi, has his own perspective on the balance between pragmatism and mysticism that is just as valid.
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But balancing the tonal difference between a tool and a religion is something to watch for
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because you don't wanna go too far one way
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or else you're writing an empty mimic of what Star Wars should be in order to hopefully fool people into thinking you're competent
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but you also don't want to go too far the other way
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because then you're turning star wars into Frank Miller or something.
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and nobody wants that
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well, somebody probably wants that
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it might even be interesting, but. It's still not a great idea.
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I said this wouldn't be all that long and it got pretty long. I LIED.
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ok i think i might be out of things to ramble on this subject, for the moment. thoughts?
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anyone? bueller?
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No I like it.
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I tend to come down a bit more on the mystical side but yes in-universe there's the science side of it too
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It's hard in RP, because you want to honor the canonical tone and intention, while still portraying the character's world from the character's perspective.
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Yeah
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And since I can only control one character, it's... it's what it is. Challenging, sometimes.
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Yeah I don't RP from Star Wars but I have that issue with other canons.
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You see this disconnect in other places in a lot of canons, actually.
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(Young Wizards, thankfully, has clearly defined that all of the spiritual stuff is very tied into the workings of the universe on a physical level so that saves that headache at least.)
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Right? I love how Young Wizards handles these elements.
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But you know, I don't know that this particular disconnect is strictly avoidable in all cases. The purpose of a work of fiction is rarely to portray character perspective in a realistic manner.
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True.
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I mean, you want to have a certain amount of that, or the characters are unable to be taken seriously as characters, but that's just set-dressing to talk about how wonderful it would be if we could
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punch bad guys
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or make men love us so much that we become the center of their worlds
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or have magic wands and go to wizard school
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or have magic swords and save the galaxy
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I want to talk about Young Wizards too, because I keep coming back to wanting to rp Roshaun somewhere. (i already have the best journal for him) but I think I need some time to gather my thoughts
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and also that should be its own plurk
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this one is meant to be fundamentally about Star Wars
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Yeah
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slkfsd I have a Dairine journal somewhere and I've played Kit before..
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anyway yes
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welp
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i'm curious about how much like
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raw data re the bloodstream aliens is available to joan schmuck
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who has space google and went to space college for two years
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They might have access to the knowledge, but it might not be important to them. Qui-Gon explains the midichlorians to baby anakin as if the midichlorians cause Jedi to have Force abilities
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Yeah.
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but that doesn't make any sense, and I've always heard that as "I'm explaining this to a child, so" and the actual function is just midichlorians as a diagnostic indicator
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like antibodies-- having more antibodies isn't what makes you sick
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but it can be what indicates that you have a different problem
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but I mean, consider gut flora
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with a little money, you could go and find out the exact composition of your guy flora. It would be an expensive but relatively simple medical test.
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gut flora are important
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they can change your whole life, if you have a problem with them
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but most people don't actually know anything about their personal balance of gut flora, because there's no reason to.
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maybe you're tested as a baby as part of the usual round of childhood medical nonsense, and if you don't come up Jedi within the Jedi-preferred time period, you just never get trained.
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So you're force-sensitive, maybe, or you carry the genes to be force-sensitive, but it atrophies, or only helps your life in small ways
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maybe your children or grandchildren will be strong enough in the force to be Jedi
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or maybe they'll just end up like you: with a slight supernatural edge to things
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not enough to make a huge difference. You just have... a lot of good luck.
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Good poker instincts.
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And then somewhere down the line some unsuspecting asshole gets born with enough midichlorian-attracting Force-juice to ping the Jedi and you get an offer from the Temple to raise the kid for you
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This is probably where most of the Jedi come from. Force-sensitivity is common/recessive in the Star Wars universe, but actually using the Force is rare.
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That's just me, though.
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it's the only model that makes real sense in my head
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Nah, it makes sense.
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Coming back to this, I mean-- Luke and Rey both grew up without what someone like Obi-Wan would consider as proper Jedi training. They were no less Force-sensitive just because of that.
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How many other Force-sensetives like them are out there, untrained, unnoticed, and the Force isn't really doing much for them?
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After all, the precognitive abilities of the Jedi are only useful if you actually listen to them. And the rest is only helpful if you believe utterly. If you don't think it's even possible, why would you try?
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Then, when she does try, when she realizes what's possible, Rey is actually great at it.
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This whole train of thought reminds me a bit of how Exalted does things in some places.
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The use of Essence in Exalted has a mystical aspect to it, but at the same time it can be used as an almost-science and developed in certain ways with well-understood training regimens and so on.
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And the Exaltations themselves are simultaneously transcendent miracles and autonomous WMDs.
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