Ziri✖O
[pixeldates] Wow, Klaus's route is shaping up to be charming already
Ziri✖O
IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HIM WHEN THE CHOICES THAT NET YOU THE MOST POINTS INVOLVE SELF DEPRECATION AND THE PROTAG GOING OUT OF HER WAY TO BE AS STUPID AS POSSIBLE
Ziri✖O
I'm going to spend this whole route mad as hell I can tell already
Ziri✖O
I'm gonna murder the heck out of somebody and I'm not even done with the first chapter yet
Ziri✖O
I am going to murder the hell out of somebody
Ziri✖O
Calliente hold my star clip I am gonna bust somebody in the chops for these plotlines
Ziri✖O
YES LET'S CONTINUE THE TREND OF LOVE INTERESTS WHO SPEND ALL THEIR TIME BEING THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET
Ziri✖O
WHO DO NOTHING BUT INSULT THE PROTAG'S INTELLIGENCE AND ACTIVELY DESTROY HER SENSE OF SELF WORTH
Ziri✖O
AND SOMEHOW SHE FALLS MADLY IN LOVE WITH THEM
Ziri✖O
I am going to chainsaw the hell out of something for this
Ziri✖O
Yes, tell the girl who just said she wants to pay back the village that raised her after she lost her whole family to a horrible plague that her life goals are shit
Ziri✖O
Great job, ten points to House Asshole
Ziri✖O
AND THEN THEY WRITE IT SO SHE CAN'T EVEN VERBALLY DEFEND HERSELF EVEN IF YOU CHOOSE THE OPTION TO DO SO
Ziri✖O
God help me
Jolly Manticore
And this is why I never picked up dating sims D: It seemed like a breeding ground for this stuff...though I was curious for a while
Ziri✖O
Jolly Manticore : Niflheim is nothing like this
Ziri✖O
Niflheim is everything that this game isn't. I just had no idea when I first picked it up because I managed to pick THE ONLY good route in Wizardess Heart for my first route.
Jolly Manticore
No Niflheim sounds amazing. This (route, at least) sounds like garbage D:
Ziri✖O
You know it's bad when Yukiya and Elias spend the preview for the next chapter commiserating about how much of an asshole his brother was to the protag
Ziri✖O
If Prince Asshole feels bad for you and is worried about her ever running into his brother again because she got off easy the first time
Ziri✖O
You know this route's gonna get fucked up
Ziri✖O
I play these games to get away from hearing about fucked up relationships, don't drag me through it and tell me I'm supposed to be happy about it!
Ziri✖O
Ugh fuck this noise I've gotta power through this as fast as possible
Ziri✖O
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Ziri✖O
Ziri✖O

This isn't funny, guys. I'm not laughing, it's not cute.
Ziri✖O
One day I'll be done with all these routes and I can go back to Yukiya where it doesn't hurt.
Ziri✖O
Ziri✖O
or explosives
Noodle Emperor
I KNEW IT
Noodle Emperor
he could have been arrogant/possessive and not had the route like that but nah
Noodle Emperor
but hey I like Luca, the heroine is the one who makes me wtf in his route
Noodle Emperor
look man if I enjoy Jun and am like "but KLAUS--"
Noodle Emperor
maybe because Jun is cruel but the protag isn't expected to be actively self deprecating
Noodle Emperor
I can get who they're appealing to with Klaus but you are doing it wrong to rewrite the protag
Calliente
Yeah, I enjoyed Jun myself
Calliente
And I was like I WOULD LITERALLY SET LUCA ON FIRE FOR ONE CORN CHIP
Calliente
We didn't need another abusive guy route in WH
Calliente
If there are people who like that, fine, Luca exists
Calliente
That said, who wants to bet Klaus is jokingly called 'Christan Grey' around the Shall We Date? offices
Noodle Emperor
hey Luca pretty much just wants to be left alone and drags his feet everywhere with the protag, he can't be compared to Klaus D<
Noodle Emperor
maybe if the protag had a chance in hell of succeeding without him and he actively interfered he'd be a problem but she don't
Ziri✖O
when given the proper instruction and guidance SHOCKINGLY ENOUGH, she does well
Ziri✖O
SURPRISINGLY AND HILARIOUSLY, she does not appear to get either of those things very often
Noodle Emperor
well okay I can buy that, but it's not her buddy's responsibility and she never asks Luca anyway, he helps on his own sometimes but all she wants is him to attend his own studies
Noodle Emperor
THOUGH YEAH. why no training for protag 8E
Noodle Emperor
I get the impression we are supposed to find her ineptitude cute or something
Noodle Emperor
but when she admitted to not visiting the library even once
Ziri✖O
The whole point of the buddy system is for two people to help each other improve though. Also she's a specialist who didn't have any people to assist her in training in her village yet everyone assumes
Ziri✖O
she should be up to par and I'm like "...????"
Ziri✖O
I admit I'm biased because in Yukiya's route she often falls asleep with her face in her textbooks after staying up late cramming, so APPARENTLY her worth ethic is very different depending on the route
Noodle Emperor
tbf the whole probationary thing is terrible
Noodle Emperor
APPARENTLY her personality differs from route to route
Ziri✖O
YEAH AND LET ME TELL YOU HOW IRRITATING THAT IS
Noodle Emperor
I find her a very unlikable person on Luca's route
Ziri✖O
it's like watching Lost Island's protag go through her downward slide all over again
Noodle Emperor
but tbf to Luca she literally never asks him for help even though he is always willing to help
Noodle Emperor
just not, you know, to attend class because he hates them
Ziri✖O
he really
Ziri✖O
Noodle Emperor
remember when she gets called on to ask a question she can't answer and he secretly answers it for her
Noodle Emperor
and all she can think is why isn't he in claaaassss
Noodle Emperor
it is not good for the protag because apparently she has no personality if it changes route to route Bl
Ziri✖O
wow at least she can think of the answers herself in the other routes. Whaaaaa
Noodle Emperor
Princess has the same personality impacted by her dokimate
Ziri✖O
In Yukiya's route there was a couple times where she nearly rocketed out of her seat because she knew the answers
Ziri✖O
Noodle Emperor : yes but at least she's not a doormat?
Ziri✖O
Princess can at least keep her shit together
Noodle Emperor
almost always they stay consistent but this one
Ziri✖O
And while there might be some shift she at least sounds the same
Noodle Emperor
oh no I mean
Noodle Emperor
she is the same person
Ziri✖O
yeah
Noodle Emperor
but influenced by her route mate
Ziri✖O
yeah
Noodle Emperor
wizardess isn't at all
Ziri✖O
yeeeaaaahhhh
Noodle Emperor
and Luca route she is all the unpleasant things. like telling people about that song immediately after Yukiya says don't
Noodle Emperor
and until like halfway through Luca's route she has zero cares about him or his feelings, just what he can do for her
Noodle Emperor
...but tbf at least she will change in the other routes so maybe I will like her more in certain routes...
Ziri✖O
thaaaat is not what I'd heard about Luca's route
Noodle Emperor
what
Noodle Emperor
what did you hear
Noodle Emperor
I am almost finished with his route I think? day 10 or something?
Noodle Emperor
she spends the whole route being demanding of Luca, determined to change him into what she wants and
Noodle Emperor
flips between blaming him for bad grades she made on her own and blaming him for not improving her grades by being good at magic in her place
Noodle Emperor
I am a little ? on why he likes her, because their early route interaction was mostly her making demands and him going "eehhhh...."
Calliente
Also did you play
Calliente
a very different Luca route than I did
Calliente
Because Luca does everything in his power to tank her grades and get her kicked out of school
Calliente
And kisses her without her consent and makes her cry
Calliente
And gives the worst 'it was a joke' fauxpology I have ever heard in my entire life
Calliente
Uses her all the way through his route for either entertainment or his own goals at her expense
Calliente
And then right around chapter 11 out of 13 decides she's important to him, which changes absolutely nothing about his behavior
Calliente
He is a grossly manipulative and selfish asshole through absolutely everything, and physically restrains and intimidates her on two separate occasions
Calliente
The last being at the romantic culmination of his route
Calliente
With a distinct undertone of "now that you're my girlfriend I kind of want to take everything from you and I won't take no or actively running away from me for an answer"
Calliente
Like, legit, Luca is the creepiest and least romantic route I have ever played in an otome
Calliente
All the more so because the protagonist admits multiple times that he's never been anything but mean or manipulative to her, yet she still fawns over him
Calliente
As bad as Klaus is, I anticipate him being a lot less gross than Luca just because everyone apparently acknowledges he's being an utter douchelord
Noodle Emperor
we view the kiss scene wildly differently apparently
Calliente
Which means, ideally, he'll change into someone worth liking at some point
Calliente
And treat her better
Calliente
Noodle Emperor : IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HIS ROUTE CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY IF YOU BUY THE PREMIUM ITEMS
Calliente
I only bought the basics
Calliente
So maybe he's way more horrible with basic selections?
Noodle Emperor
I only buy basics! but probably. which raises a good question. are premium routes the real route?
Calliente
I've always wondered :|a
Calliente
THAT SAID Luca grossed me out and infuriated me to such a level that I've sworn to never spend a cent of real money on WH
Noodle Emperor
IDK maybe because I sympathize with Luca more than the heroine I see it all from his perspective, not hers.
Calliente
Even when I was kind of tempted for Elias' route - who I actually find to be much better, and no worse than any other tsundere route I've played - I refrained :|a
Noodle Emperor
BUT TBH I feel similarly
Calliente
Just because Luca exists in this game
Noodle Emperor
just with regards to heroine pissing me off too much all route
Calliente
Yeah, that could be a thing! I look at it very much from the heroine's perspective.
Noodle Emperor
SO. LUCA ROUTE.
Calliente
From that angle, Luca's route is a constant harpy shriek of WHY WOULD YOU LIKE HIM
Noodle Emperor
yeah that could be!
Noodle Emperor
very true, to be fair
Calliente
Also, I've always said that whatever your personal damage, that's fine, but you don't get to fuck up other people's lives because your life sucked
Noodle Emperor
from his there's this chick who just....moves in to school and decides to run his life for her own advantage
Calliente
Which is literally all Luca does, forever.
Calliente
Like, I sympathize with Luca's being damaged but not with his spreading it around
Noodle Emperor
like. she cries over the kiss but...its because she acts like he did it out of nowhere
Noodle Emperor
which makes no sense to me
Calliente
Meanwhile, I see the heroine as being this poor girl who just wants to attend this school and do well and finally gets a shot, and she's already facing all these challenges...
Calliente
...and she gets paired with a guy who could not give less of a fuck and flat out tells her he doesn't care if he ruins her dreams.
Calliente
"I mean, I could make an effort for thirteen days or so in order to let you attend this school, but...naaah, too much effort. I'd rather crush your life dream for lulz."
Noodle Emperor
but he never actually does anything to mess her up other than refuse to attend class. like, yeah, he could do that
Calliente
"Also, the way you fail at everything all the time? Priceless. I haven't laughed so much in ages! Keep failing at things to entertain me, okay?"
Calliente
Doesn't he deliberately send some of her spells extra haywire and laugh about it?
Calliente
Like, I distinctly recall that happening at least once.
Noodle Emperor
but the protag never suggests that. actually he makes several offers of compromise and she turns him down because she wants it one way?
Noodle Emperor
what, oh once he made the spell worse and vanished, but the next day he gave her the answer to something she had literally no idea of
Noodle Emperor
but she already blew it by the time he made it worse, and him vanishing kept her from getting a bad grade. it...likely wasn't his plan
Calliente
What offers of compromise? :|a
Noodle Emperor
but he still didn't make it worse at least
Calliente
And yeah, I'm not saying she hadn't blown it already, but he used her failure for his own amusement and gain
Calliente
(Because you know he used that as his distraction so he could ditch)
Noodle Emperor
it's been a little while, but he said he'd go to class if she walked with him to class every time, or held his hand, or once if she'd date him.
Calliente
I don't remember the walking to class bit, but...that wasn't compromise, that was basically blackmail?
Noodle Emperor
a couple other minor things he suggested but I don't remember
Calliente
Like "your grades rely on me and I don't give a shit about them, so how about I make you do things for me since I hold all the cards in regards to your future here~"
Noodle Emperor
well, the heroine never actually approached him in a reasonable way either remember. she would go up and literally say
Noodle Emperor
what is wrong with you, why are you so broken you don't want to attend school?
Calliente
She never literally said that at all :|a I WISH SHE HAD, one of my biggest gripes was that she never went off on Luca properly except the one time he kissed her without her consent
Noodle Emperor
for some reason she never just went "Hey. behave for thirteen days, okay? Go back to your sulking afterward"
Calliente
Basically, she just kept trying to understand why he didn't want to do well so she could get him invested properly in doing well?
Calliente
Which, granted, would have helped her, but let's face it, she wasn't selfish at all in Luca's route. If she actually cared about herself, she'd have kept away from him doing horrible shit to her all the time.
Calliente
She was weirdly obsessed with Luca, wanting to know more about him, wanting him to care about his future, wanting to make him happy, etc.
Noodle Emperor
right, not literal but basically. butting her nose in his business and trying to change him and his priorities under the flag of caring but really for her own advantage
Calliente
Also, to be fair, the Buddy thing wasn't only for the thirteen days. But once she'd been properly accepted, she'd have more time to figure him out and find out what might make him want to clean up his act.
Noodle Emperor
idk,like...I see her as manipulative - selfish in the route. not just out for herself but hung up on Luca because he is her buddy and reflects on her
Noodle Emperor
true, but yes the thirteen days is what was immediately important. not that it mattered since...
Calliente
Well, she's literally stuck with him for as long as she's at the school, so it is important for her to address his underlying issues and try to understand him.
Noodle Emperor
if Luca didn't exist she'd fail anyway
Calliente
But tbh, I got the distinct impression playing her route that she didn't care about them being Buddies for her grades. I mean, she did care about those, and Luca's dragging her down did bother her.
Noodle Emperor
she can't do magic, she doesn't study, she somehow lacks basic knowledge about their world
Calliente
But her obsession with their Buddy status read a lot more like 'shoujo obsession with bonds and friendship' than 'mercenary interest in a partner I'm stuck with'.
Noodle Emperor
well early route she definitely did, as it goes on she cares more about luca
Calliente
"We share a special bond, it's important that we're close!"
Calliente
Also, to be fair - what reason does Luca EVER give her to care about him in a non-you affect my grades way
Noodle Emperor
but it can't save her in my eyes when she still pins herself to the wall with her own arrow, shares secrets she shouldn't, and has ridiculous fantasies about love ugh
Calliente
He is consistently terrible to her at every opportunity
Calliente
Like, it's kind of unfair to go "but she doesn't care about Luca" when Luca is literally never nice enough to warrant caring about him?
Noodle Emperor
he doesn't, but in the same way he has no reason to care about this chick who wants to change him
Calliente
And then she starts caring about him anyway, and he's still awful to her.
Calliente
Granted, that makes sense from a character standpoint.
Calliente
But from a YOU ARE A CHARACTER SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO CHARM THE PROTAGONIST INTO FALLING IN LOVE WITH YOU standpoint, it's like "...you are completely failing at what you are designed for"
Noodle Emperor
tbf I think what it comes down to is that the route is just terribly designed
Calliente
Also, like I said - she comes to care for Luca anyway, whereas even by the complete end of his route he seems to value her no more than when they'd started.
Calliente
She's still just something to be used for his entertainment, only now it's romantic/implied sexual fun instead of casual fun.
Noodle Emperor
I like Luca a lot, but the way they made the heroine and the plot of it makes it unpleasant from either perspective
Ziri✖O
The whole point of the dating sims is to get a romantic end. The fact that Luca's route FAILS SPECTACULARLY from both sides says a Lot
Calliente
He doesn't seem to care about her desires - in fact, seems to actively dismiss or ignore them - any more than he did at the beginning.
Calliente
Which is a massive failure both from a character standpoint and from an otome standpoint. He is the exact same person at the end as he was at the start.
Calliente
I wouldn't really care how awfully he started out if he improved.
Noodle Emperor
idk what they thought they were doing. probably the romance they wanted couldn't be done in thirteen days and so it just ends up terrible
Calliente
Jun starts out pretty gross himself. :|a
Ziri✖O
Why is it that the obviously damaged choice is the only route that has a healthy relationship that makes sense in how it grows over the long run?
Calliente
I STILL SAY ELIAS' ROUTE IS NOT AS BAD AS YOU PERCEIVED IT, ZIRI
Ziri✖O
Like how in the everloving blue blazes did you guys fuck that up
Noodle Emperor
because wizardess is objectively terrible
Calliente
Yeah, it's pretty tsun at the start, but then it goes into tsundere territory, and eventually to full dere
Ziri✖O
NO I WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU SEE YUKIYA'S ROUTE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND
Calliente
It's pretty much what I'd expect from any route like that :|a
Calliente
YEAH I PROBABLY WILL
Ziri✖O
His route did not prepare me for the hot mess that makes up the rest of the gamr
Calliente
I'll be like OH OKAY see Elias' route wasn't bad but this is so much nicer I can see how the contrast could be jarring
Noodle Emperor
the fact that only one or two routes are decent says a thing :|
Calliente
Yeah :| IT'S SAD because a lot of their other games are lovely
Ziri✖O
one and a half.
Calliente
Oh Ziri GUESS WHAT
Ziri✖O
a half because Elias is a veritable asshole at the start and nothing will change my mind of that
Ziri✖O
WAT
Calliente
I finished Ocean's route in My Fairy Tales at last
Ziri✖O
what what
Ziri✖O
omg good job
Noodle Emperor
yet ninja love has all been enjoyable
Noodle Emperor
oohh I am on oceans route!
Calliente
And I was like I DIDN'T COME ALL THIS WAY NOT TO GET THE BEST ENDING and I bought the things because apparently you can't get the best ending without spending money
Calliente
(WHICH IS LAME AND GROSS)
Ziri✖O
I AM STUCK AT A CAKE CHECKPOINT and I just can't be assed to grind for that much gems
Calliente
And let me tell you
Noodle Emperor
what no really?
Calliente
IT WASN'T WORTH IT??????
Ziri✖O
NAH YOU CAN
Ziri✖O
as long as you grind like hell in the slots
Calliente
BUT I DID ALL THE RIGHT ANSWERS?????
Calliente
OH
Calliente
Yeah I didn't do that
Calliente
I HAD BEEN WAITING LONG ENOUGH TO EARN 19 GODDAMN SWEETS
Ziri✖O
the slots give you tickets that IF YOU GET A LOT OF THEM make a blue feather
Calliente
BUT SERIOUSLY
Ziri✖O
fuck that game
Calliente
DON'T BOTHER WITH THE BEST ENDING
Ziri✖O
fuck it
Ziri✖O
just
Ziri✖O
fuck everything
Calliente
(Also Ziri, you need TWO Blue Feathers to get into best ending territory SO YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT TWICE)
Noodle Emperor
I am mad because the moral so far is Ocean should go back and like Ariel was fine as a human
Noodle Emperor
I have a feather I think...
Ziri✖O
there is no reason to spend 20k on a final checkpoint if you aren't even getting the best ending and in a game where getting 1k a day is almost impossible
Calliente
(LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN JUST ONE, YOU NEED TWO)
Noodle Emperor
checks
Calliente
BUT THE THING IS
Ziri✖O
YOU NEED TWO ARE YOU JOKING ME??
Ziri✖O
fuck that
Calliente
YOU DO
Calliente
IT'S HIDEOUS
Ziri✖O
FUCK THAT
Calliente
I flat out left the company a thing saying "My Fairy Tales has obscene checkpoint requirements, get that shit out of here"
Calliente
BUT ANYWAY
Calliente
I WANTED THE ENDING WHERE THEY BECOME MERMAIDS TOGETHER AND THE BEST ENDING ISN'T EVEN AS GOOD AS THAT
Noodle Emperor
man rude
Calliente
Like, Ocean gets to stay a human but it's so bland one wonders why that matters
Noodle Emperor
what rly
Calliente
I DON'T WANNA SPOIL YOU IF YOU'RE GONNA GO FOR THE BEST ENDING?
Calliente
UNLESS YOU WANT?
Noodle Emperor
idk yet, I am just grinding with most of my games right now, only playing some
Noodle Emperor
I have 15,000+ Mina in prince
Calliente
Also ~who wants to hear a kind of gross plot twist~
Calliente
in Fairy Tales
Noodle Emperor
oh no what
Ziri✖O
oh no which gross plot twist and for which route
Calliente
Ocean's
Calliente
idk if it gets revealed on any ending but the best one
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