Bronxelf
this is beautiful and depressing. I miss NYC before the trust fund kids invaded. Photos of New York City storefronts taken 10 years apart show gen...
Mal Martynov
I hear a bunco of people say that and unfortunately I only visit so I don't notice the changes
Bronxelf
www.plurk.com/digitalenigma I look around sometimes and go WTF HAPPENED? Ugh I never want to see another national chain restaurant as long as I live, for real.
GiaNikai
Oh what it would have been like to see it back then. Still hoping to visit some day
Mal Martynov
fortunatly i have a good teacher when I visit NYC that teaches me none of thoose annying tourist habits
✴Sparkling✴
so sad I remember some of those places
Monica
Not everything can stay the same forever. Stores relocate or foreclose. People die, and if the kids don't take up the family business, then what?
Mal Martynov
a lot of it isn't because of that, it's because yuppies are moving in to the "cool" areas and either driving up the rent or deciding the club district is too noisy and they complain
Monica
some areas, not all areas are like that
✴Sparkling✴
Monica
: its about more then that, this is years and years of history and culture being wiped away by generic corporate crap
Mal Martynov
only most of the east village is like that
Kamilahhauptmann
Omfug is my new favorite word.
Bronxelf
www.plurk.com/digitalenigma It's WAY more than the East Village. WAY more.
Bronxelf
The problem is NOT that "things change". The problem is the influx of corporately funded chains driving up rents to the point where nothing else survives.
Bronxelf
www.plurk.com/MonicaQuerrien A LOT of areas are like that. Manhattan is the worst for it, but it's certainly spread to Brooklyn too.
Mal Martynov
that's why cbgbs closed. It wasn't a lack of business or the owner wanting to get out of business, the landlord jacked up the rent by 10k per month when they went to renew their lease.
Mal Martynov
My friend in Harlem pays more than double in rant than I do for my apartment, his is a three bedroom with kitchen/living room combo, I have three bedrooms full living roo full dining room full kitchen
Bronxelf
www.plurk.com/digitalenigma the CBGB case was bigger than that. It was a very long standing feud between HIlly and the building's owner. People offered to pay off Hilly's debt, including Mark Cuban.
Bronxelf
There was no amount of money the building owner would take- he wanted the club out of the building.
Bronxelf
Im livid the NYCLC didnt act on this.
Bronxelf
I had a photo of mine hanging in CBGB for years before they closed.
Mal Martynov
My uncle used to hang out there all the time. I have friends who run club events at bars and they've had to switch locations more than once because of "noise complaints" from tenants in the area who-->
Mal Martynov
when they moved inthey were in a club/bar area and it makes me O_o
Bronxelf
www.plurk.com/digitalenigma Community boards have a lot of say in who gets liquor licenses. It's a problem downtown, for sure.
Mal Martynov
I mean the clubs are still there, the events just had to move. I was like O_o at the noise complaits cause it's a club they knew it was there and they didn't complain on hip hop night
Bronxelf
These days booking agents for each scene tend to rotate between about 3 clubs that cater to them specifically.
Mal Martynov
I've also notices some of the patrons getting snippy, like when some chick got pissed when she couldn't bring a glass of water outside ottos and coundl't understand why it was an issue(or wouldn't
Orvan_Taurus
Oh, the city version of "You moved next to a famr and are upset that that farming goes on there?"
Bronxelf
www.plurk.com/Orvan_Taurus Pretty much. People move downtown because it's a great location- it's close to excellent restaurants, places to go, things to do. The problem is that other people also show up.
Bronxelf
And don't get me wrong, sometimes it gets REAL loud, because NYC bars and clubs don't close until 4am. But that's not news and it's not a secret. But people pay EXTRAORDINARY amounts to live in those
Bronxelf
neighborhoods, and get angry when like clockwork every weekend, it sounds like all hell broke loose outside at 4am.
Bronxelf
But moving somewhere quieter (and less expensive) means that it's more out of the way for all the fun stuff FOR THEM. So they bitch instead.
Bronxelf
But seriously, if I never see another "family chain restaurant" for the rest of my life- it will still be too soon. I loathe that shit.
Monica
Bronxelf
: I was basing my comments on the article. As someone in the comments section said, at least one of the stores listed had relocated and expanded. But I see you were using that to jump start the
Monica
topic of gentrification. Yes in Brooklyn you see it in parts of Williamsburg, Bed-Stuy, and especially DUMBO.
Fearyfox(Reyn)
That's actually one of the things I like about Pensacola over Atlanta - there are actually still a lot of local places. You can still tell that the area has been hard hit by the economy, but...
Fearyfox(Reyn)
I hate chains for the most part too.