Princess Emily
Princess Emily
It should work
Vehrec
I think this would be more a case of 'mutually assured destruction'
Princess Emily
Vehrec : why? a lich doesn't die if their phylactery is destroyed
Princess Emily
it just prevents their rejuvination
Princess Emily
so if one lich dies, the other lich (their phylactory) would keep on keepin' on, and then the original lich would rejuvinate in 1d10 days
A Grinning DM
I don’t know how it works in 5e but in earlier editions when a lich rejuvenated it wasn’t technically the same body. So if a lich x was lich y’s phylactery, and lich x was destroyed, lich y would be without a phylactery even after lich x rejuvenated
Princess Emily
it doesn't need to be the same body is just needs the same carvings iirc
Princess Emily
and if the body was made the same then it'd follow that the carvings would still be there, and thus reactivate upon rejuvination
A Grinning DM
No the carvings would not still be there, a copy of the carvings would be made, but just duplicating some carved tunes does not generally replicate a magic effect in D&D, the runes generally have some process to imbue them with the magical energy
A Grinning DM
Like a blacksmith can duplicate a magic sword precisely in its construction but that sword will not be a magic sword, that’s just generally how magic works in D&D, some magic person needs to do some extra magic bullshit to the thing to make it a Magic Thing
Princess Emily
hmmm, well the 5e text doesn't say if it's the same body or not
Princess Emily
i don't think
A Grinning DM
Well if 5e liches are just the same body then you don’t have to worry about phylacteries at all, just deposit the fucker in molten lead after you “kill” him then
Princess Emily
Rejuvenation: If it has a phylactery, a destroyed lich gains a new body in 1d10 days, regaining all its hit points and becoming active again. The new body appears within 5 feet of the phylactery.
okay so
Princess Emily
new body but is there a reason magical effects wouldn't continue from the old? I guess is the question then
A Grinning DM
Like I said generally that’s not the convention for magic items in D&D, and the phylactery is basically a kind of magic item. If the DM pulls this trick with a pair of liches than they can expect players to want to turn any suit of non magic armor into +3 armor just by copying the same runes they found on some magic armor
A Grinning DM
A DM is free to rule how they want in their game but it’s not a door I would open as a DM
Princess Emily
That does not sound like a logical leap
Princess Emily
that a rejuvenating lich having enchantments on their own body when rejuvenated is the same as copying runes from magical armor
Princess Emily
I would find new players
Princess Emily
Meanwhile, it creates a very interesting enemy scenario
Princess Emily
where you have to have players try to figure out how to kill two liches at the same time
Princess Emily
but seriously, if a player said to me "WELL by all rights if a LICH rejuvenating keeps a phylactory active EVEN THOUGH they wouldn't be the ORIGINAL RUNES, then by ALL RIGHTS I should be able to copy ANY magical runes to recreate any magical item I want"
Princess Emily
I would kick them from my game immediately
Princess Emily
and also call them a nerd
A Grinning DM
/shrug
Echo
It's kind of romantic.
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