Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:14 PM
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https://images.plurk.com/3ZTG5LapdmtPGLfU6jPxeR.png hmm
Villain
@Overbringer
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:14 PM
hmm
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:20 PM
dark souls, despite looking like it's a menus game, is incredibly parkour
RobotApocalypse
@ninjarobotclone
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:32 PM
monster hunter is definitely a menus game
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:52 PM
Dark Souls is in fact menus
oh i'm scary
@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:54 PM
if Counter Strike is menus then menus clearly overrides parkour in cases of overlap
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:54 PM
it's not about which takes priority it's about which is the heart
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:54 PM
I do think dark souls is menus though, at least DS1
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:54 PM
Bloodborne is parkour
oh i'm scary
@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:54 PM
yeah that I'll give you
oh i'm scary
@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:58 PM
Armored Core is insanely weighted in both directions but menus clearly wins out
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 8:59 PM
yeah armored core is menus
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:00 PM
monster hunter is another 'very both' for me
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:00 PM
hmm
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:00 PM
both are present but I do think monhun is menus
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:00 PM
are there any sidescrolling platformers people would call menus over parkour?
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:01 PM
I think it's easier to have a "both but it's menus" game than a "both but it's parkour" game
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:04 PM
yeah I think Bloodborne is the best case for both-but-parkour
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:05 PM
maybe fighting games?
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:06 PM
I posit that Sekiro is From's only Pure Parkour game
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@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:14 PM
pokemon is menus, obviously. but.
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:14 PM
pokemon legends arceus is not "both", it is menus that can nonetheless be played as if it is parkour.
Beans
@lightdrizzel
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:21 PM
kingdom hearts is parkour except for chain of memories, which leans into menus
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:39 PM
I'm still believing DS1 is more parkour than menus but I will concede that it is absolutely more menus than Bloodborne is
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:40 PM
BattroidBattery : Megaman is menus
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:40 PM
I think I have no grasp of what being menus means here if megaman is menus
Rama
@Nerdorama
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:41 PM
I exclusively play Menus games, except Portal
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:41 PM
I guess you went into menus to switch your active subweapon sometimes but you could just do that without menus too IIRC
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:42 PM
I think it's less about active menus and more about taking the time to think about and pick the right tool for the job, instead of YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO SMOKE A BOWL WE DID THAT SHIT FOR YOU
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:42 PM
Personally, at least.
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:43 PM
I don't think megaman is menus
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:43 PM
but know what might be menus?
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:43 PM
igavania games
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:45 PM
Depends on which ones I think. Actual Castlevanias and/or Bloodstained absolutely, but I'd say that Hollow Knight is Parkour despite being placed in that same genre bubble
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:45 PM
I mean the literal castlevania games made by igarashi
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 9:45 PM
Oh then yes absolutely
連続犬
@svensational
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:01 PM
symphony of the night is absolutely menus
ProfessorGustav
@Matchre
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:06 PM
im a menus purist in that if i can't play your game while dealing w a significant hand-eye delay, it's parkour
ProfessorGustav
@Matchre
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:07 PM
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:08 PM
megaman definitely parkour and i could not play it at all before i hit 18ish due to cognition stuff
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:07 PM
I mostly play grand strategy games so my personal bias is that 'menus' means you should spend the majority of the play time in menus...
ProfessorGustav
@Matchre
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:07 PM
yea
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@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:07 PM
megaman is parkour
but megaman battle network is menus
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:08 PM
but which is Legends
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:08 PM
megaman classic: parkour
x: parkour
zero: parkour
legends: probably parkour but i'm not 100% on that.
battle network: menus
star force: menus
zx: mixed but comes down as more menu-heavy which is unfortunate
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:10 PM
what's star force
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:10 PM
there is no such thing as mixed
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:11 PM
it's either menus or parkour
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:11 PM
star force was the jrpg
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:12 PM
any good?
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:13 PM
I haven't played it, but it has its fans
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:15 PM
star force was battle network but radios and also battles were from behind instead of side view
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:17 PM
so the question this brings up to me is
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:17 PM
by this metric
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:18 PM
if something is not menus, it must be parkour
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:18 PM
thus, tetris is parkour.
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:18 PM
I think tetris is menus
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:19 PM
the play space of tetris is a menu
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:20 PM
I mean, the point of tetris is to move fast, maneuver to exact specifications, react to the environment, and involves blocks and lines
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:20 PM
I'd say it's parkour based on its own merits
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:20 PM
Not just for lack of menus
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:20 PM
Minesweeper is menus though
knight of death
@delphicxix
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:21 PM
Tetris is parkour, yeah
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:21 PM
hmm
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:21 PM
I think I'm convinced
ProfessorGustav
@Matchre
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:22 PM
i think menus... is usually when you can microsleep midway thru a play session and not lose before you wake up
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:22 PM
Okay, here's a question:
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:22 PM
Vampire Survivors
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:22 PM
menus
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:22 PM
the Core Play of VS is not moving around the screen, it's picking the right perks on level up
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:29 PM
VS is 100% menus.
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:31 PM
all mario games are parkour. even the RPGs.
chrome
@Cromalin20
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:33 PM
final fantasy games are menus but really wish they were parkour
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:33 PM
only the modern ones
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:33 PM
I think like FF1-FFX was all menus
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:33 PM
but at some point they were like "parkour has more mass appeal"
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:38 PM
I counter "it's parkour if it has any parkour requirements" with "it's menus if you have to be able to read"
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:38 PM
(I do not actually assert that it's just, I think absolutism is a bad approach)
ProfessorGustav
@Matchre
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:39 PM
the only valid parkour ff is crystal chronicles
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@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:41 PM
katamari damacy is parkour, but the prince is REALLY bad at parkour.
chrome
@Cromalin20
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:41 PM
that's true but ff has been trying to be parkour for most of its existence at this point
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:42 PM
yeah I don't agree on any hardline stance on what is parkour or menus
Onigashima
@quinn2win
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:42 PM
it's a judgment call
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:42 PM
which games are the closest to being neither
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:42 PM
point-and-click adventures?
izzy.vrm
@alqemizzy
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:42 PM
no, those are menus
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:42 PM
I think monkey island or whatever is menus in the end but
oh i'm scary
@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
point and click adventures are extremely menus?
BattroidBattery
@askaboutourspecials
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
a pale sort of menu
ProfessorGustav
@Matchre
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
mm.. i'd argue point and click is menus, the menus are just the whole screen
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
okay okay here's a query:
Princess Emily
@deerleisure
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
Rhythm games
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
pure parkour
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
@lastbastion
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:43 PM
track and field (NES), despite having several games about running and jumping, is menus.
oh i'm scary
@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:44 PM
like the definitions as I understand them which I will begrudgingly allow are not universal if you're all on your best behavior,
oh i'm scary
@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:46 PM
menus: thinking with your upper brain
parkour: reflexes/timing
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@yurisoldier
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:46 PM
/hand eye coordination
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:46 PM
sound novels/kinetic novels are neither menus nor parkour

the ones where you don't have any choices, or wrong choices immediately dead-end. your uminekos and your higurashis, your fata morganas
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:47 PM
i would also suggest that incremental/clicker/"idle" games are only very very barely menus and that i could see hot takes about them being neither
knight of death
@delphicxix
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:50 PM
they're books. simple as that.
fastest mario
@flare_sword
Mon, Jun 17, 2024 10:51 PM
yeah they're digital books, but they get sold in the game aisle and that's its own discourse
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